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Offline steely07

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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2002, 05:51:44 AM »
Please post it :)
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2002, 07:30:12 AM »
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tronski - youre right - i remember it now - but what ever became of it?




I once downloaded it off an abandonware site, but I've got no idea where. There was also a site which had the 4 addons:

P-38 Tour of Duty
He-162 Tour of Duty
Do-335 Tour of Duty
P-80 Tour of Duty

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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2002, 09:44:22 PM »
1946 humm...

By day 500 plane flights of B-36's at 38,000 feet, small high-value targets being hit by radar guided "bat" glide bombs dropped from "stealth" B-35's. B-29's replacing all those old, small, slow and under armed B-17's and B-24's for mid-alt work. The A-26 replacing the B-25's and 26's and the B-45 coming on line to replace the 26. Do you know the production rate for the BOMB in '46? I have heard that it was more than ten a month. One B-35 a week at night, no more production sites.

P-80 B’s and C's would be replacing the "old" A models as the standard day fighter, and long range escort would be handled by the P-81 and P-82's, with the F-84 for attack work.

BT2D's for carrier launched bombing and attack work, with the F7F and F8F for fighter and interceptor work. The FJ-1, FH-1 and F2H are on board as well. The F9F is on the drawing board and will be flying by late '46 or early '47.

Transports would include the C-99 and C-97.
Don't forget the only radar fuzed shells and missile warheads in the world for anti-bomber work.

He he, yeh, ‘46


And that's not including all the neat Brit stuff:)

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2002, 11:11:58 PM »
Dino said it better than I could.... :cool:

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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2002, 12:16:53 AM »
hmmm there might be a Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe 2 or another sim like itin the near future from LucasArts:

4-17-02

LucasArts Entertainment Company LLC today announced the resumption of its relationship with Lawrence Holland and his company Totally Games to develop a World War II flight combat game for next generation consoles and PC. Previous associations between LucasArts and Totally Games produced the critically acclaimed and best selling X-wing and TIE fighter series of Star Wars® games, as well as Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe and Their Finest Hour: The Battle of Britain®. The latter two games will serve as inspiration for the upcoming World War II flight combat title.

The new game, expected to release in 2003, will immerse would-be fighter pilot aces into dynamic, edge-of-the-seat air-to-air and air-to-ground battle scenarios in a variety of combat theaters over Europe and other territories. The story-driven game will drop players into a secret, elite squad of pilots who undertake the most dangerous missions of World War II.

``Lawrence Holland single-handedly defined the fun, accessible flight action genre with his groundbreaking trilogy of World War II air combat games,'' says Simon Jeffery, president of LucasArts. ``Adding the sophisticated storytelling style Holland developed for the award-winning X-wing series, this new game promises exhilarating gameplay with a rip-roaring story of adventure and intrigue. The legions of fans who have been clamoring for a new game in the vein of Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe should be very happy with this announcement.''

``I'm thrilled to be back working with LucasArts, for whom Totally Games has developed so many successful titles over the years,'' says Lawrence Holland, chief executive officer and creative director of Totally Games. ``My team and I will have a great time building a brand new World War II air combat game for this next generation of hardware. I believe our team has some exciting ideas that will capture the imaginations of players everywhere. Get ready to watch your six!''

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« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2002, 01:40:37 AM »
Here you go steely07. Just what you wanted.

This was taken after the dedication ceremony. The B-17 is at Max Power and the B-1 is running just above stall speed.

Picture was taken by a fellow squadron member aboard a KC-135 that was there to top off the BONE.

See ya fellows in the virtual combat arena.

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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2002, 01:12:31 PM »
"what if" the war continued?
Berlin Nuked..London, moscow Nuked in retaliation (nazis would have had bomb by then.. with all the spies they had) Engalnd surrenders..
most of the Allied army in europe on brink of starvation in winter of 45-46 .. British and US airforces supplies exhausted..German airforce attains air supremicy by january 46....German longrange bombers hit eastern US..Treaty signed between US and Germany..

spin forward 50 years....... Exactly the same as it is now with the EU ...Except in 1945 we did defete the dirty, stinking, racist, evil..nazis...and we should all remember that..:)

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« Reply #22 on: May 24, 2002, 01:16:07 PM »
you are way too involved in this - drink some tea and settle down:eek:

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« Reply #23 on: May 24, 2002, 02:07:14 PM »
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Do you know the production rate for the BOMB in '46? I have heard that it was more than ten a month




in your wet dreams maybe. Hiroshima-like atomic bombs weren't exactly easy neither cheap to build...

mostly because plutonium is not found on the streets, you know...you have to create it. And it was not easy to create plutonium, much less in the quantity needed for a 9000kg bomb.

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« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2002, 02:59:29 PM »
I thought I would reply to a few posts.

SELECTOR said:
Berlin Nuked..London, Moscow Nuked in retaliation (Nazis would have had bomb by then.. with all the spies they had)
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BUZZ! Wrong. ;)
According to that right wing pro-bomb group Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists :D at: http://www.bullatomsci.org/issues/1992/s92/s92.goldberg.html
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As Heisenberg noted in his 1947 Nature article, in 1942 the state of research and knowledge concerning nuclear fission in Germany and in the United States was comparable. But knowledge is not sufficient to build a bomb. A very large, expensive, and far-flung industrial complex must be mounted and managed.
END QUOTE
and from The Critical Mass, Jonothan Logan
With the declassification of important wartime documents, it is now clear from private statements made by Werner Heisenberg, German's leading theorist, that Heisenberg and his colleagues made several key mistakes in calculating what would be needed for a bomb, contributing to pessimism and poor progress in their fission research.
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Germany had not the time, money or manpower to build the needed infrastructure to build bombs before, say ‘50 or ‘51 at best. And that is if they had not screwed up on the physics as bad as they did and were able to get the needed natural resources. And that would be with no Allied efforts to stop or delay them.

Quote from Selector:
England surrenders..
most of the Allied army in Europe on brink of starvation in winter of 45-46 .. British and US airforces supplies exhausted..German airforce attains air supremacy by January 46....German long-range bombers hit eastern US..Treaty signed between US and Germany..
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Nope to all of that, no bomb, Germany looses. No bomb England is still in the war.

         
RRAM Said:
in your wet dreams maybe. Hiroshima-like atomic bombs weren't exactly easy neither cheap to build...
mostly because plutonium is not found on the streets, you know...you have to create it. And it was not easy to create plutonium, much less in the quantity needed for a 9000kg bomb.
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BUZZ! Wrong. I quote from: http://www.marshallnet.com/~manor/ww2/attacks.html
 Production was geared to seven per month with an expectation that 50 bombs would be required to assure that an invasion would not be required.
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So we say seven, not ten a month. Germany goes down hard.

While the bomb may have weighed “9,000kg”, the glow in the dark part was less than .1% of that.
You are right that it was not easy, that is why the U.S. spent about $50 Billion in todays money on building PRODUCTION lines for these items. In war don’t think small.  

To OTTO, :D  Ever notice how few people talk about the Allied weapons of '46. All the ones I talked about are historic pre '46 projects.
And if we drop (  ;) ) the BOMB stuff, the Allies get that $50 Billion back to play with.

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« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2002, 06:20:03 PM »
it was just a bit of fun a little scenario made up.....
but how the hell you know all the answers is way beyond me:D :D

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« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2002, 08:25:58 PM »
SELECTOR said:
but how the hell you know all the answers is way beyond me :D :D
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If I knew thall the answers, I'd have LOTS more $$$:D
But I do read lots...:D :D

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« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2002, 02:23:27 AM »
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it was just a bit of fun a little scenario made up.....
but how the hell you know all the answers is way beyond me:D :D


I dont quite understand but it sounds like youre saying the money used to research atomic fusion and inevitably the A-Bomb was better spent on more munitions, tanks, planes and troops to go in - increasing US casualties by (they say) 500,000-750,000 men - but anyways 0 this post is about what if's - not undo's :)

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« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2002, 02:25:41 AM »
oops - the above was for mc202 and his quote "And if we drop (  ) the BOMB stuff, the Allies get that $50 Billion back to play with.

Just nevermind me but please keep up the posts about a fantasy 46 sim hehe :)

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« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2002, 03:01:28 AM »
out of the buff gunners range? what did the mk103's range get to accurately?