Author Topic: "They raped everyone from eight to 80" (Read 5609 times)

Boroda · « **Reply #75 on:** May 27, 2002, 11:06:37 AM »

Nifty, this is simple: nazis were evil, communists were good. Anything else is revisionism.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #76 on:** May 27, 2002, 11:46:07 AM »

Communism is the greatest evil, ever!

Allow me to paraphrase what I deleted.

ANGER!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #77 on:** May 27, 2002, 11:53:42 AM »

I just hope Boroda meant in reference to WW2, Nazi Germany being a greater immediate threat than Communist Russia, so Russia was an ally and a convenient good guy.

Boroda · « **Reply #78 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:01:25 PM »

You are right, GH.

As for comparing communism and nazism - read Albert Camus's "Rebel". There are two brilliant chapters about it.

Communism, unlike nazism, is a POSITIVE ideology and a set of POSITIVE values.

Hortlund · « **Reply #79 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:03:21 PM »

Boroda, I believe you still owe me some sources...
Put up or shut up...

Angus · « **Reply #80 on:** May 27, 2002, 12:29:46 PM »

I could not help looking at this:

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]

A couple prime examples of industrial theft are the old chassis lada's which are exact copies of the 50 model fiat (were still produced unchanged up to 80's btw..) And the Moskvitch engine which is an exact copy of a 70's BMW 2-liter block.
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I had a few of these cars, and they were truly a copy. Even the Fiat 2000 engine from the early 1980's fitted right into a Lada 1600!! They really were a whoopingly good copy, but bad in material quality. Now who said that they could not be copied?

Anyway, back to the Rape and pillage....
From the mountain of ww2 books I have read, I must say that on the front of the conflict between the Russians and the Germans were pretty much the same. Really no difference, and sadly, if anything, I would put my money on that the russians were worse, i.e. regarding common civilians (not groups like jews)
I dug up somewhere that there was actually an armed conflict between the English and the Russians. The English had captured a town in which there was a hospital with many german nurses. The russians entered at night, demanding women. The English eventually opened fire to drive them away, killing some of them.
The town had asked to be occupied by the English rather than the Russians, in fact the German unit defending the area had surrendered to the English, but in order to make that possible, they had to keep fighting the russians until the English got there.
We also know how eager the German fighter pilots were to surrender to the Anglo-American forces rather than the russians.
Does that tell something?

Boroda · « **Reply #81 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:06:27 PM »

Look, this neonazi asks ME about MY sources, providing nothing more then the standard cold-war fairy-tales about commies eating little children alive! Next step will be quoting "sources" like Tolliver & Constable with Lavrinenkov strangling the poor LW pilot with bare hands!

Hortlund · « **Reply #82 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:29:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
Look, this neonazi asks ME about MY sources, providing nothing more then the standard cold-war fairy-tales about commies eating little children alive! Next step will be quoting "sources" like Tolliver & Constable with Lavrinenkov strangling the poor LW pilot with bare hands!

I'll interpret that as a "no, I dont have any sources"

Fishu · « **Reply #83 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:36:25 PM »

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Originally posted by --am--
You advertise this roadkill with such pathos as if the American or English soldiers were not engaged in violence.

oh by the way, since you were already referring to me about POW camps.. im not american and not having any thoughts of americans being saints

Just a notice from my own part.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #84 on:** May 27, 2002, 01:57:10 PM »

Boroda is actually right about Communism being a positive ideology. The idea is excellent - nobody just can make it work in real life.

The ideology of equality turned into even heavyer class dividing between the party and working people, not to mention that the communist idea of democratic decision turned into dictatorship in russia, cuba and china. Power corrupts and when someone is in the position to abuse it, he will most likely to do so in his advantage.

Another bad point of communism is that it channels industrial and technical innovative energy to political activity because it's the only way to climb the social ladder. This kills normal financial and technical competition and channels the energy to politics, corruption and creative abusiveness of the system. The first thing that clearly comes out when you look at any communist society is blatant and rampaging corruption. You could buy a police officer to murder someone for $1000.

Creative people get no financial reckognition of their work no matter how hard they work, they're financially no better than the average joe who skips work at the factory.. So they try to escape to the west and get shot at the border in the process.

Communism is one of those things which look great on paper but suck totally when put in action.

Fishu · « **Reply #85 on:** May 27, 2002, 02:03:06 PM »

--am--,

In early years, finnish POW camps were poorly maintained, however after red cross requirs and Mannerheim's visit at the POW camps, things were drastically changed.
In early years this was mainly because of "ex"-criminals maintaining the camps and there are speculations or records of that how POW could been kicked out of the camp and shot as escaper.

but death toll among finnish POWs in soviet hands was far greater.
In a document I saw how one of finnish POWs described how he was captured and couple of his surrendered fellow soldiers were brought behind the corner and shot and how he was afraid it would happen to him as well.
He also told about the soviet pow camps along with few other who were POWs during the war.

Theres story of when Finnish soldiers retreated from a city in Kareliya, they boiled water and put captured soviet in it, to be found by the soviet troops when they enter the city.
This is told to be done by soldiers living in the area for hatred towards the aggressors unrightfully taking their land.

But I haven't heard any stories of civils being sent to prisons to die in famine.
I've heard of desants only.

What comes to soviets and german troops, there are not only stories but proves of captured germans being tortured at the frontlines.

--am-- and boroda..
I don't see anyone claiming that everything is true, but you two aren't even admiting that any of it is true and meanwhile being faulty of very same things you accuse others of.
boroda being the only one who refers to laughable accuses of child eaters etc.

funkedup · « **Reply #86 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:31:45 PM »

I'm pretty sure that Lada paid for a license from FIAT to manufacture FIAT designs legally.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #87 on:** May 27, 2002, 05:54:46 PM »

Yes it seems so funkedup I was wrong on that one.

The moskvitch engine might be a similar case.

Still that doesn't change the fact of the false claims.

Staga · « **Reply #88 on:** May 27, 2002, 07:29:06 PM »

Lada was built in Togliatti in a company partly owned by FIAT.
Old Moskvitch was same car as pre-war Opel built with machinery which was "socialized" from Germany.
Later Moskvitchs had an engine which was copied from BMW; same way as russian heavy truck (Zil?) had engine copied from White or Studebaker.
Also Zis limousine was pretty much same car as Packard was.
In motorcycles K-750, Ural and Dnepr were more or less copies from german Zündapp and BMW motorcycles and made with german machinery.
Moskvitch from '90s was a copy from Talbot 1510 and new model of volga had doors which were taken from Ford Scorpio.

I'm pretty sure there would be more but can't remember them right now. Anyway Russians have always been good copiers thought quality wasn't in the same level with western products. Some people are importing old Dnepr, K-750 and Ural motorcycles and they are changing engines to the german made BMW-boxers. Dad had a "Popeda" when he was young and he told me it had very good heater but they did change carburetors to model used in Chevrolets. Fuel consumption did drop several liters per 100km and car was faster and better to drive.

--am-- · « **Reply #89 on:** May 28, 2002, 02:40:04 AM »

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
I'm not aware of any other soviet citizens sent to prison camps

Percent died Soviet captured in finish concentration of camps, is more than in nazis concentration of camps. Nazis for it judged in Nuremberg, and the crimes finish of the militarians have remained without punishment. Now you do not want it to remember. And as were at war for nazi and as killed the Soviet people.

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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]

I can't see any reason why they should be put to camps since finnish army was recapturing the land soviets took from them in

Finish the government has sent in concentration of camps all who thought differently, all women and children, whose husbands served in Red Army. This camp was in area Kalayarvy near to city Peryasenyaoky (I apologize for possible mistakes).

That that you do not want in it to trust means that it was in a reality