will we still be at the mercy of the fluffers in 1.10?

[Duckwing6]

if you so much destein the "fluffers" Lasz why don't yo play off-line ?

Every field has a low furball over it just waiting for you ! No disturbing chatter on the coms, insta respawn of the furballers isn't that paradise?

geeez

[air_guard]

Originally posted by lazs2
Had a couple of great nights of fighting the last few nights... couple of hours of intense furballing between two fields that were either close together (mindinou fight) or that the planes from both fields met halfway (last night in center isle over VH)..  this was a lot of fun and a lot of guys were participating and having a blast..

I realize that we were having so much fun only at the mercy or, ignorance of the fluffers...   One attention starved milkrunner could have stopped the fun at any time if he wanted to.. spoiling the AH experiance for dozens of guys having a good time.   The only option would have been to fly cap over the field all night to do battle with a robo-fluff if it dained to show up... no option at all for most folks.   No fun to do and even if one of the skilless fluffers showed up you would then be participating in the least fun and most unrealistic air combat availabel in AH as your "reward".

So.... will the new drone herders be able to destroy fights at a whim, and with no effort save patience in 1.10 as they can now?  I am only interested in their capabilities so try to address that..
lazs

why not stay in the dueling arena if so afraid of bombers ?
And why whine about somhting we dont know much about or have tested yet ?

airguard

[lazs2]

well.... most seem to have missed my point.   My point is that right now..  a fluff has the ability to kill the fight for dozens of guys and he does it by simply being imune to boredom or, having some perverse idea of "fun".    It is good that most guys in AH can't stand the idea of fluffs and the way they are modeled in AH or that they simply can't stand the boredom.

Still... it is not good that the fluffs have this ability.   It is the ability that is the problem.  

I merely asked if they will have this ability in 1.10.   I realize that it will be speculation but I believe that it is good to keep perspective in this thing.   Pretending that all is right with fluffers  and that you never see them doing the high alt FH drop and killing a good fight is..... untruthful and counterproductive.

So long as we make fighter hangers and fuel an easy and attention grabbing target for 4 engined bombers we will fuel this animosity....  

Right now... what is being said is... "we can do it but we don't" and "we don't do it cause it is too gamey and doesn't advance our cause of winning the war"   Both are lies at worst and wishful thinking at best......

What needs to be in place is a feature that makes the fluffers say. "we don;'t do it cause it is darn near impossible".
lazs

[Arfann]

Originally posted by lazs2

Right now... what is being said is... "we can do it but we don't" and "we don't do it cause it is too gamey and doesn't advance our cause of winning the war"   Both are lies at worst and wishful thinking at best......

What needs to be in place is a feature that makes the fluffers say. "we don;'t do it cause it is darn near impossible".
lazs

I don't do it 'cause Lazs says it's not nice.

[lazs2]

exactly arfan but....  While I am sure that the majority of people are just like you and hang on my every word for guidance....   Ther are some hopeless degenerates out there that can't be saved....   We have to work around that.
lazs

[Steven]

Lazs,

It's really all perspective, in my mind.  You say:  <>  I say that an LA7 has the ability to kill the fight for several guys.  The object of this game is to take someone out of the fight, and if it's done by fighter down low vulching, running fighters down and killing them in a maneuver or by high altitude bomber, it's all good and fun.  In strict time vs kill, the LA7 will take more people out of a fight than a big slow buff does, IMO.  You can always run a resupply goon in to repair the base, but I'm guessing you only want to fight one way and that's down low in a furball.  Nothing wrong with that, but not all of us find enjoyment in such strict parameters like you but in contrast enjoy the variety to the play.

Take care!

[Tac]

there is NO difference between having a bomber taking out your FH's and "ruining your fun" and having a single jabo coming and suiciding on your FH's (and he'll do it faster too).

What you want is unkillable fields. That wont ever happen in the MA. You can find those in the DA and TA.


"The goal is to take someone out of a fight, no matter what you use or how you use it."

Exactly Steven

"Pretending that all is right with fluffers and that you never see them doing the high alt FH drop and killing a good fight is..... untruthful and counterproductive"

And pretending that a never ending furball over the same field until one side ends up vulching the field is productive? Really, what kind of game would you think it would be if it was nothing but fighter vs fighter? Thats Fighter Ace you know *hint* .

1.10 will hopefully have a different strat system (werent they thinking on tying field ownership to the ownership of strat targets or something like that?), and the buff formations and added bomb dispersion will hopefully give the game a new direction.

[lazs2]

steven... a lag7 can't spil the fight for me.  He is the fight for me.  I do ok against other planes and enjoy fighting every one of em... even pee 51's and D9's when I can catch em.  Big difference.

tac... are you really playing in the same game I am?   I know that a fighter can suicide into a hanger or a cv.   I watched a Hog dive into a fighter hanger with a bomb..  he came in high but had to dive in for the drop.. I got some pingws on him and got the kill.  He killed one fighter hanger and so far as I know it reset before he ever made it back again for a second run or he just gave up.  

Once in a great while you will find like minded suicide guys who will all go to jabo a hot field and of course... they all die.   Least at the fields I see.    

Fluffs are different and you know it tac..  they circle around at 15-30K when everyone else is having fun down below.   they know they will get one drop in and then, even if it means they will eventually be killed... another.   They take out either fuel or fighter hangers.   I'm not sure if they think that they are "contributing/helping" their teammates who are happilyu furballing or if they just like the attention.  In either case they are not welcome.  without killshooter they wouldn't make it to the enemy field.

Now... if HTC can figure out a way for fluffs to bomb stuff that makes em feel important without pissing off the fighter guys I'm all for it..   Like I have allways said.... I don't care what the fluffs do so long as it doesn't affect me.  (winning the war doesn't affect me)
lazs

[Tac]

"Fluffs are different and you know it tac.. they circle around at 15-30K when everyone else is having fun down below. they know they will get one drop in and then, even if it means they will eventually be killed... another."

Let me capitalize on the "when everyone else is having fun down below" part. The BUFF pilot is having his fun.. UP THERE. You dont like it, get a 109g10 and shoot his bellybutton out with a banzai 30mm run. You'll get to his alt real quick. If you dont want to do that, then tough luck, your field will be porked. Lack of interest is on your end only.

In short, you once again want only unkillable fields. The FH's WILL go down no matter what plane you blame as being the problem.

 I can bet right now that in 1.10 you will be whining because 2 player manned 6 X lancasters coming in at 5k alt nuked your field's FHs... because you were too busy furballing with the nearest spit to go after the buffs. Especially if said lancs dove from 10k to 5k  aGL to gain his near 400 mph speed (and in 1.10 the less alt the more accurate the bombing) and leaves you eating his dust as you watch in horror how they nuked your FH's in one pass.

[Steven]

Lazs, I like the buffs, but I guess it's all about you.

[lazs2]

tac.. I think women and cripples should be able to have fun in the game too but...  Not such a large effect on fighter gameplay.   Please stop telling me that if I want to continue to have fun in AH I have to grab a G10 and quit having fun long enough to kill the gamey, cyborg fluffs.  

right now... you can't afford to let em live and they are no fun to kill.... fighting them destroys the air combat experiance.   They will no doubt not be fun to fight for a long time in the future but I would like to be able to ignore them without them ruining fights.

I don't care if they "win the war" tho...   wouldn't bother me if they say.... dropped xxxxx tons of bombs on HQ or city or whatever and that "won the war".    I could then ignore them.... they could get attention and brag on channel 1..... and everyone would be happy.
lazs

[hawk220]

to me, what is the most amazing, is that some would take it so personally when a player uses a fair game element in the manner it was designed to be used.  I don't think people are pissing on your parade when they drop bombs. When I hear this complaint, I can't help but see a toddler cry when someone takes away his lollipop. If its an affront to you or your AH experience for someone to play in this fair manner, then there are other life issues that need to be dealt with that certainly can't be solved here.


my .02

[poopster]

Please drink and drive....I need the kidney.

LOL

Now you want to come over here and clean off my moniter ???

[DrDea]

When taking a base it is often best to pork the fuel ord at surrounding bases.Vh too.When I see Buffs constantly coming into a base I grab the 109G10 and grab up to stop them.I do something about it.I wont stand on the ground shaking my fist at the sky screaming DO IT MY WAY!!!!!! This game has several facets.The Buff pilots affect the game in one way...the fighters another.If you dont like the way someone flys...pay there bill.Then you have a say in the matter.Otherwise....Do something to stop them or stuff it.

[weaselsan]

Many times I have been engaged one on one with a good  opponent . from 20k down to the deck. Just as i'm gaining an advantage on him, or him on me, here comes a friendly or an enema and ruins the whole exercise. But what you gonna do, i'm not the only guy in the arena. I would agree with laz on the fluffs if they were doing it on purpose. But it is easier to think that they are doing it in an attempt to take the field.