Hard question to answer

[OZkansas]

These boards are filled with comments regarding the FM, sun glare, visual clues, and various other complaints directed at HTC.  

Here’s a question you need to answer before demanding “realism”.

Why do we all fly these planes in such an unrealistic manor?

[snafu]

Hi OZkansas,
 Because if you "die" you can just go and get another plane. During TOD's and other one life events most people "Fly" a lot differently to how they fly in the MA etc. Outside scenarios there are no orders as such, No Enforcable chain of command, No terrain captures with the help of other forces. (Not saying scenarios are the be all & end all of how it should be done just demonstrating that a different set of rules affects the way people fly). Supposed inaccuracies in the FM (If they exist - look elsewhere for opinions) also affect how planes are flown, the roles they fulfill and the game is played. Realistic flying does pay dividends as anyone who has run into some of the more organised squads will testify.

TTFN
snafu

[Ghosth]

Because we are mere dweebs, mortals who are not yet Vets. We have feet of clay yet we have lofty ideas. Tied to the ground and our normal lives we dream about flying. The seemingly simple choices of combat have a vast allure for us. Yet once there there are no simple choices. There is only life or death. Yet death is not the end, we can spawn endlessly, so we end up flying unrealisticly.

We all want realism to a point, "our" point perferably.

But who would build a flight sim where you get exactly 1 plane per day? Kill it and your done until tommorow. Then you would see less unrealistic flight. People would fear death.
But who would fly such a sim? And it seems obvious it would go bankrupt shortly.


Even in the TOD which is the best most realistic flying to be had in AH IMO. Still I do not fear death like death. If I die attacking a JU-88 I was stupid, brave but idiotic, or perhaps even heroic.

But I can go to the CT, or Main and FLY again.

[ccvi]

Originally posted by Ghosth
But who would build a flight sim where you get exactly 1 plane per day?

Can we get an arean with that kind of setup please? After dieing there, there's still the MA

[lazs2]

depends... What do you mean by "unrealistic manner"?   Do you mean that we don't warm up the planes and go through the whole preflight?   Do you mean that we dont fly in finger fours or take orders or missions?  

 Or...  do you simply mean that we get into more fights per hour than most pilots seen in an entire tour?   If it is the later then I would suggest that in such a target rich environment as is in AH that...  Pilots in WWII would have flown allmost exactly like we do with the possibel exception being that they would take orders.   Only a dimwit takes orders in a game that he pays to play.

Also... certain planes like the pee 51 are better off flying in a manner that is (cough) timid.   This has nothing to do with realism just... reality.  the reality of gameplay.   gameplay decrees that it is a waste of time for T&B planes to bother with alt much and suicide for fast planes to mix it up with em.  

If you fly turners you will detest the cherrey pickers and brand their form of "realism" as cowardice (hence the terms like runstang) but if you fly fast B&Z planes....

You may be tempted to call what you do "realism".
lazs

[Löwe]

Originally posted by lazs2
 Or...  do you simply mean that we get into more fights per hour than most pilots seen in an entire tour?   If it is the later then I would suggest that in such a target rich environment as is in AH that...  Pilots in WWII would have flown allmost exactly like we do with the possibel exception being that they would take orders.  
lazs [/B]

Uhhh Errr, Hey Lazs2, this is a SIM, WWII was a WAR. We fly the way we do because we know we are not going to die. Lets not get carried away, if a WWII pilot saw only one enemy plane his whole tour, and crapped his pants in fear. He still has more real fights under his belt, than anybody flying in AH. Except any current or vet military pilots in the community. To say somebody facing actual death, in an actual war, is going to adopt any flying habits of people in AH is taking this sim way too serious.

[lazs2]

lowe.. are you kidding?  those guys were agressive!  For the most part, they didn't even think they could die much less would...  Can you recall being 20?   There world is made up of all kinds of personalities.   sure... some "real" pilots would get away from the action and try to cherry pick but others would gladly rush into the biggest fur they could find.   They did it in WWII when they had a chance.   Given the same type of arena I bet we would see about the same results.   At least at first.    
lazs

[Löwe]

I do see your point on  the aggression Lazs. However they had to deal with so much more than we do . Such as real G effects, the physical excertion of having to actually wrestle the controls of a real aircraft, possible motion sickness, or vertigo from hard manuvering. The problem of bringing actual weapons to bear on a moving target. Then you throw in real bullets coming your way,  dealing with the cold of Europe, or suffering from malaria, or dysentary from some Pacific hell hole, and this is prob just the tip of the iceberg on real differences between a sim and actual combat. It is possible that some of the things we do may have been adopted, but if they all flew like we do both the Axis and the Allies would have been very short of both planes and pilots. I looked at my CT scores, if guys flew like I did, there would be 68 of them dead  in this tour alone. Then again I'm basing my opinion on how I fly, not how you fly.

[Tumor]

....god lord lol

  If fighter pilots in WWII had flown into furballs at the first opportunity (as they do in AH), there wouldn't have been an Air War much past 1941, except for fluffer's...there'd have been lots of fluffing going on haha.

[K West]

IMO questions are always valid and probably welcomed with no problem by the developer(s).  It's most oftenthe context,  blatant disregard for fact and the manner that too many are "delivered" I'd bet is not.

  Westy

[hazed-]

lol laz

you really take the biscuit.