Author Topic: Uber Spits (Read 1189 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #30 on:** June 11, 2002, 02:14:44 AM »

Heheheeh MW it's funny to see some of my old scans popping up on that forum.

But hey I don't "know my 190s". I guess I need to start reading "Cool Uberplanes of the Uberwaffe" by Hauptmann Nazilover instead of looking through archives to make copies of real test data and technical documents. Silly me!

Interesting to hear Oleg talking about MW 50 on the A-8 when the manual for the aircraft mentions three other boost systems but nothing about MW 50. Ah well it's just a game.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #31 on:** June 11, 2002, 02:31:17 AM »

funkedup, AFAIK, MW50 equipped 190A had a small orange triangle behind the cockpit, there are several pictures of 190As featuring this triangle.

About GM1, I have the technical drawings of a 190A8 with a big GM-1 bottle instead of the "normal" fuel tank, as well as 190A8s without the third tank (this tank was easily removable at field).

Mw, the comment of Oleg in your link is:
"A-8 was the first 190s which had MW-50 engine boost in serieal production. Its why it faster".

But this thread is about Spits: perk them all

Jochen · « **Reply #32 on:** June 11, 2002, 02:52:49 AM »

Wilbus · « **Reply #33 on:** June 11, 2002, 03:07:03 AM »

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"Cool Uberplanes of the Uberwaffe" by Hauptmann Nazilover

You're obviously even more stupid then I've thought before.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #34 on:** June 11, 2002, 04:48:49 AM »

funkedup, about manuals, my old PC motherboard has four manual revisions, my bios has two, my operating system has three, but my hardware is the same since first day.

About "Cool Uberplanes of the Uberwaffe" what about "Fantasy Uberplanes of the RAF in AH"? This is the case of our actual unidentified SpitIX. Lets suppose we had a 190 with the weapons of a 190A8R8, the weight of a 190A3 and the engine of a 190A9 and called "Fw190A"...

Wmaker · « **Reply #35 on:** June 11, 2002, 06:38:25 AM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
"Cool Uberplanes of the Uberwaffe" by Hauptmann Nazilover

Ok funked, tell us how you really feel...

mw · « **Reply #36 on:** June 11, 2002, 07:25:31 AM »

Funked, you'd be surprised where your research turns up, I certainly have been at times

Wilbus: Funked has been studying this stuff for a long time and knows more about 190s than most. Better if you don't take it so personal. We're all learning as we dig up more data. Its ok if we don't get it right all the time.
Mandoble: I read what Oleg wrote

I know better than to believe everything he writes, but its worth giving consideration to his opinions. I find butch2k to be the guy to listen to re: 190s.

Funked; intersting about the boost setting on that 190A3 tested by the Brits. Remember we used to discuss that many years ago, lol!

My take is that the reason the engine ran rough is because the Brits didn't realize the engine couldn't take running at 1.42 ata. The Germans knew this which is why they limited it to 1.3ata; but the Brits didn't

Here's a thread on GM-1 on 190s.

A Spitfire thread never gets much traction until the LW types join in anyway

Have at it

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #37 on:** June 11, 2002, 07:42:44 AM »

"I'm unfortunately not authorized to post the data i have"

butch2k is the one that said he had confidential info about 190s, right? LOL!!!!!

Is curious that Oleg keep talking about the acceleration and speed of 190A8 using MW50 and comparing its marks to the 190A9 2100hp (190A9 fantasy plane??).

mw · « **Reply #38 on:** June 11, 2002, 07:48:21 AM »

Wow mandoble, if I sent you a primary source document on condition you not paste it all over the web due to copyright concerns, what would you do?

Someone remind me never to send this guy any of my primary source material.

Wilbus · « **Reply #39 on:** June 11, 2002, 10:44:12 AM »

If funked is so good with 190's he should know that from the A4 and onward they could use MW50 boost.

The A4 was the first one that used it, FAR from all of the A4's though. More A5's used it and the A5 also tested the GM1 boosting although they had lots of problems with it and thus is was never really used operationaly untill later.

Not hard to find facts about this and it's not in one or two books written by some bad authors and published by a bad publisher. If ya refuse to read up on it I can't blaim you all for your lack of knowledge.

MW, as for your links, they are two disussions about it, much like we have here. I haven't read through them real good but for what I've read in the first link they only discuss the 190 A4 (mostly A4) engine problems, something I am well aware of already and yet again, is not hard to find info about.

mw · « **Reply #40 on:** June 11, 2002, 11:05:44 AM »

Suit yourself Wilbus. That's unfortunate. I figured I was doing you a favor by putting up those links where some of the current thinking on the subjects that interest you are discussed. We are all free to draw our own conclusions about what we read. I will say this; if you really want to have a clear understanding of the performance and operations of aircraft you are interested in, you have to hit the archives and do some serious research.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #41 on:** June 11, 2002, 11:23:21 AM »

Soon, we're gonna need an arena for spit drivers only!

I'm all for new planes, but enuf with the RAF stuff already. Perhaps we can add some PTO A/C before we add any more spits.

Pei · « **Reply #42 on:** June 11, 2002, 11:53:21 AM »

Damn,
I feel bad now: one post while irritated from reading another thread and I managed to set this thread up to be one hell of a flame-fest.

funkedup · « **Reply #43 on:** June 11, 2002, 12:25:14 PM »

Sorry Mando and Wmaker, there are a lot of crap authors out there writing crap books on LW planes. They copy things from previous books that are completely wrong and don't look at primary sources. A lot of this feeds the BS myth of Luftwaffe superiority in WW2 and creates a whole class of misinformed LW fans that we have to deal with on these boards. I don't blame these fans for being wrong, it's the fault of the irresponsible authors. I find it offensive that these people make money from such poor work.

As far as the Spit 9 in AH, I have pointed out the problems to HTC many times. If they refuse to fix it, it's none of my business.

Wilbus · « **Reply #44 on:** June 11, 2002, 01:59:30 PM »

I know very well that there are crap authors Funked, and I have some books written (copied or whatever) by such crap authors. I also have some very very good ones and reliable and I do know, by FACT that from teh A4 and on MW 50 was suported, it's another thing that it wasn't used on all, (almost no A4 and quite a few A5's).

When someone is ignorant to laugh me in the face I get pissed off though, and when someone calls some authors (and me, I took that kind of personal) Nazi lover I get seriously pissed off, and if anyone at all should appologize, it's you for making such a stupid BS comment.

If you wanna learn some about 190's open your eyes and see and understand that MW50 was suported and used from the A4 and onwards but didn't get into service "for real" untill the A8.

You said before

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A-8 and A-5 did not use MW 50. You are thinking of GM-1.

. That proves your lack of knowledge about Fw 190's as Gm1 was TESTED (and ONLY tested) in the 190 A5 but couldn't be made to work as it should and was thus posponded until later, this too being fully worked out for the A8 and used, together with MW50 in the TA152 H-1.
To me it seems as if you haven't read much at all about 190's, specially not the less known version and thus you hardly seem to know what GM1 is at all.

As for spits, I can't challange you and almost anything you say I won't argue about (unless I look something else up in the Spitfire bible).