Flight Model or Stick Setup?

[Airscrew]

The other night I was chasing a P38 in a 190A8, I was about in a 45 degree turn trying to get shot on him and pushed the stick over just a bit more to get my nose in front of him to lead him and get a shot.  All of a sudden the plane flips wildly and I head to the ground.  I figure I was doing about 250 in the turn and I was gaining on the P38 but my current line I would have passed behind him so I tried to pull the plane to shoot in front of him.  

I have had this happen to me with several different planes, A8, D9, G10, P38, P51, P47, F4U-1, F4UC, and LA7.  Almost always the same circumstances.   At first I figured it was the flight model and I just lost lift on one wing and because I'm down so low there is no time to recover, but I never get a stall horn warning.   But other planes I fly, Typhoon, Spits, F6f, 110, TA152, C205, Hurricane  I dont seem to notice this problem.  

I guess I need to confirm,  is this stalling or are my stick settings porked and in need of adjusting?

I'm using a Thrustmaster Afterburner w/ throttle control for about 8 months now.

AirScrew

[Ripsnort]

Can't say I've ever done that Tom, except in the low speed of the F4U-1A with too much rudder input (you can actually fly the F4U-1A sideways for about 5 seconds).  Worse comes to worse, try another joystick.

[Vermillion]

Well... its hard to be sure, but it sounds like an accelerated stall to me.

The 190 series is quite prone to this. Where even if your doing 250+ mph, you can pull hard enough on the stick to stall the aircraft and it will flip over and out of control as you describe.

[Shane]

seems to me that you're putting too much input and running smack into an accelerated snaproll/spin.

ease up on the stick input when trying to get those last few degrees for the shot, by either playing with the dampers in j/s setup pitch/roll (pitch being the main culprit) and/or keep flying and try to anticipate a little sooner so you won't have to pull too much to get the shot.

i think with time you'll adjust and do just fine.

could be the stick, but i kind of doubt it.

[Airscrew]

Thanks guys,
 Rip, its a new stick, its been doing this since before I bought this one, I had an older Thrustmaster.  I do have a Saitek I bought for my son (AirDude) so I might swap them just to see.  

Verm, I remember reading someone's comments about an accelerated stall on the 109's and the P51 so when it happened before I figured it was flight modeling but when I saw it in other planes are started to suspect my stick settings.  

I also think I'll try Shane's suggestion and try some adjustment on the pitch.  And Shane I understand what you're saying, and usually its not a problem, but when your target is doing microwarps when your d300 from it and you had a line and all of a sudden it warps out of position just before you take your shot, I dont know, what ya gona do, I just try to play catchup and get the shot.

Appreciated the input, I guess I got some experimenting to do before the con.

AirScrew

[Wotan]

burn your aft tank first.

i have seen folks auger similar to what you described in the a8. I have had to really work to keep an a8 in controlled flight when heavy.

It may have been the stick/fm or a little of both. Try to reproduce it offline.

[Airscrew]

Hey Wotan, your right I forgot about Fuel, but I remember reading something about this almost a year ago, when someone had a similar question about P51, i was sure the answer was that HTC programed the fuel to be used from the correct tanks to keep a pretty well center of gravity.   It occured to me as a possibility but I remember (or misremember) the discussion so I discounted it.   I'll give it a shot also.  

I do have that particular crash on film,  I'll post it when I get home and anyone interested can take a look and see if its my dweebish flying or the stick.

thanks
AirScrew