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Offline Octavius

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« on: June 09, 2002, 10:05:46 PM »
Clancy is a god.  I can't think of any of his works that I didn't like.  The ONLY gripe I have:  I would have liked to see Harrison Ford play Affleck's role.  Don't get me wrong, I like Affleck; he was really good!  

Suspense throughout the whole movie (never read the book, now I'm thinking I will).  Seeing those Tu26's (am I correct?) gave me goose bumps.  Oh!  Gripe #2... sorry.  The smart bomb films were from Desert Storm... I did not appreciate that.  I remember seeing that crap on the nightly news.  I would rather see a nifty computer animated Su27 getting pounded than what was shown. Ahh well I suppose I can live with that.  

I HIGHLY recommend anyone and everyone to see this movie.  A big "this-could-actually-happen..." movie.  

I know Clancy has a military background.. but how extensive is it?  How much behind the scenes action in the CIA did he see?  Well... I guess one would have to actually have that type of job in order to compare.  I thought about what Bush's and any former Presidents' reaction to this movie would be... Would they laugh at the mistakes or gasp at the accuracy of his writing?   I know its just a movie (and a crapload of other books by Clancy), but as far as I'm concerned, this guy sure knows his stuff (and I'll believe it til I experience it first hand ;)).  

Awesome awesome awesome.. I can't say enough about this.  The movie ended less than 20 minutes ago and I'm still on edge so thats probably why I'm speechless :D  (speechless?  lol not after reading this again).  

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2002, 10:40:37 PM »
Actually I don't think Tom Clancy was in the military or served in the CIA.

He does an outstanding job of researching his books and made such a splash with The Hunt for Red October that he probably made contacts with government organizations that supply him with background for his writing.

IIRC he was also invited to the White House by Reagan during his tenure.

The Red Rabbit is the final book in the jack Ryan series, it's due for publication 8/2002.

If you haven't read the Sum of all Fears you should, it's one of his best.

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2002, 11:00:44 PM »
Saw it Saturday and didn't think it was very good.Not bad just not very suspensefull.Better was "Changing Lanes".Ben with Morgan Freeman.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2002, 11:26:43 PM »
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Saw it Saturday and didn't think it was very good.Not bad just not very suspensefull.Better was "Changing Lanes".Ben with Morgan Freeman.


Changing Lanes is with Samuel L. Jackson

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2002, 11:28:12 PM »
Saw it Sat. and it was OK...not great but OK. It started slow and never really picked up but the story was good enough to make it worth watching.
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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2002, 11:44:49 PM »
I liked it.  I think the best part was how they showed you the bomb going off.  I wasn't expecting it to go off right then.

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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2002, 12:17:30 AM »
Changing Lanes has got to be one of the most ill-conceived, poorly written, poorly organized 'Hollywood" movies of all time.
It started out to be promising, but after about the first 20 minutes, when the two leads decided to start becoming agonistic with each other, the hope of a good movie ended.

My first gripe with the post-20 minute aspect was that nearly all of the plots were so fantastic and unrealistic that it was laughable. For example, why would Affleck's character let Jackson's character just walk away after he told the former that his silly little paper was thrown out? He doesn't even ask him where he threw it or gets out of the car to persue the matter. Talk about lethargic. uninteresting writing; not to mention when Jackson took the bolts out of Affleck's Mercedes; the main aspect I have problems with, albeit assumed, to this particular scene that deserves our derision is: just how in the hell did Jackson manage to get in, and actually find Affleck's car in his companie's garage? And why did, after quite a lengthy time of driving, did Affleck's wheel just decide to come off by the time Jackson caught up in the cab(I'm guessing Jackson borrowed some of his Mace Windu powers for this movie)? And of course Jacksn procedes to taunt Affleck as he's about to spin out, due to losing his front wheel, with a wrench; could this act not clearly been noticed by the cab driver or other people driving on the highway, resulting in Jackson being persued by the cops? Apparently in the fantasy world the movie takes place in.

I could go on and on with more examples of how poorly this work was written, but I'm sure you get the point.


The acting was superlatively good, though.

As for Sum of All Fears, it was strikingly similar to Changing Lanes in terms of poorly conceived plot;as well total fantasy in terms of realism. If we had a battle group like was as poorly alert as the one that was struck in the movie, we deserve to be nuked. Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS.

Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with.

bleh.

Hollywood... stick with the fantasty genre. Ep 2and Spiderman blew both of these movies out of the water. The former, well, because it's Star Wars; and the latter was better just out of sheer originality, acting, special effects, storyline, entertainment, and the wonderfully pertinent last scene, which left me with a good feeling.
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« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2002, 12:46:48 AM »
I guess my only question is, how could you see the previews for Changing Lanes and not realise it was gonna be a stinker?


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« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2002, 01:02:29 AM »
nath, dude, hint: your new persona seems forced and is not coming across naturally.
try to relax a little, drop the classical music plugs, just because you got mocked for it on Deja's thread doesnt mean you have to keep proving that you are some sort of connoisseur ;)

elegance comes with simplicity, want a good example, read a few articles by Walter Isaacson or Kelly Knauer from Time's magazine, or read a few of Hangtime's posts

as for the changing lanes movie, i got tired of the same old style vs. substance issue. Pulp Fiction proved Samuel is a BMF, since then every movie he's been on is the same thing. a lot of attitude.

morgan freeman on the other hand, his style is the kind i want to emulate.  i really enjoy his acting and just for that i will go see Sum of All Fears, even though I know the plot is nothing like the book wich i enjoyed so much.

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2002, 01:25:31 AM »
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nath, dude, hint: your new persona seems forced and is not coming across naturally.
try to relax a little, drop the classical music plugs, just because you got mocked for it on Deja's thread doesnt mean you have to keep proving that you are some sort of connoisseur ;)

elegance comes with simplicity, want a good example, read a few articles by Walter Isaacson or Kelly Knauer from Time's magazine, or read a few of Hangtime's posts


That could be true to you--since I really don't care. I write what comes to me. I think you should apply your banal theory to your gaming--could help. After all, true skill eliminates predictability.
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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2002, 02:34:38 AM »
Uhhh.. whatever buddy

like being good with video games matters
but i know thats important to you, some people need to constantly remind others (and themselves) that they are good at something to feel confident. i think its cute that you chose a video game :) i dont even try to be good or have skill with video games. i just play to have fun. when i'm done, i get up and go do what i do best: real life.


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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2002, 04:47:40 AM »
"Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS. "

Yes he has, and if you read the book you would know that (not a flame, just suggest you read it).  The movie people changed it, along with a quite a few other things.  I have yet to see the movie, but the book is good.

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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2002, 05:13:58 AM »
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Originally posted by Nath[BDP]
Changing Lanes has got to be one of the most ill-conceived, poorly written, poorly organized 'Hollywood" movies of all time.
It started out to be promising, but after about the first 20 minutes, when the two leads decided to start becoming agonistic with each other, the hope of a good movie ended.

My first gripe with the post-20 minute aspect was that nearly all of the plots were so fantastic and unrealistic that it was laughable. For example, why would Affleck's character let Jackson's character just walk away after he told the former that his silly little paper was thrown out? He doesn't even ask him where he threw it or gets out of the car to persue the matter. Talk about lethargic. uninteresting writing; not to mention when Jackson took the bolts out of Affleck's Mercedes; the main aspect I have problems with, albeit assumed, to this particular scene that deserves our derision is: just how in the hell did Jackson manage to get in, and actually find Affleck's car in his companie's garage? And why did, after quite a lengthy time of driving, did Affleck's wheel just decide to come off by the time Jackson caught up in the cab(I'm guessing Jackson borrowed some of his Mace Windu powers for this movie)? And of course Jacksn procedes to taunt Affleck as he's about to spin out, due to losing his front wheel, with a wrench; could this act not clearly been noticed by the cab driver or other people driving on the highway, resulting in Jackson being persued by the cops? Apparently in the fantasy world the movie takes place in.

I could go on and on with more examples of how poorly this work was written, but I'm sure you get the point.


The acting was superlatively good, though.

As for Sum of All Fears, it was strikingly similar to Changing Lanes in terms of poorly conceived plot;as well total fantasy in terms of realism. If we had a battle group like was as poorly alert as the one that was struck in the movie, we deserve to be nuked. Looks like Mr. Clancy has never heard of AEGIS or Hawkeyes on constant AWACS.

Changing Lanes was like listening to Stravinsky's he Right of Spring; total lack of proper theme development, lack of a basic center or motive, ecetera... Stravinsky was a genius though, and managed to keep this type of work interesting to deal with.

bleh.

Hollywood... stick with the fantasty genre. Ep 2and Spiderman blew both of these movies out of the water. The former, well, because it's Star Wars; and the latter was better just out of sheer originality, acting, special effects, storyline, entertainment, and the wonderfully pertinent last scene, which left me with a good feeling.



Yeah,but it was better than Sum Of All Fears...I saw them back to back at a drive in Saturday.Just my opinion...Ooops,meant Samuel nnot morgan in my first post....
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2002, 05:29:11 AM »
Who would really belive Israel would leave a nuke out in the desert,so some wondering arab can find it?

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2002, 08:30:54 AM »
in the book the battle group was never attacked.