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Offline Elfenwolf

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« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2002, 01:42:51 PM »
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The post about White Trailer-Trash may have been tongue-in-cheek social commentary.  However, I find that overused term offensive.  ALL classes have their ne'er-do-wells.  I know many hard-working, decent people who live in trailer parks.  It may come as a shock to many of the upper-crust leftists  to discover that there are still large numbers of poor whites in this country.  Many of the jobs that they do are dirty grunt work that must be done and yet is at the low end of the salary scale.  Real work is what they do...unlike pencil pushing or playing around with a computer keyboard.  Most are not racists.  They are more concerned with feeding their families and being able to save a little money.  Just like poor Blacks and Hispanics.  They ALL deserve the same opportunities for advancement.



Regards, Shuckins


"UPPER CRUST LEFTIST??? PEOPLE REALLY DO GRUNT WORK ???"LOL Shuckins, I grew up the oldest of five kids without a father most of the time, or an abusive drunk for one on those rare occasions when he was around. We moved from Bakersfield in the South to Red Bluff to the North picking everything from tomatoes in Fresno to olives in Oroville to cantalopes in Sacramento. Every nickel I made went to help my Mom take care of my younger siblings. We grew up on welfare and handouts, to say we were poor was an understatement, and we were never in one place for more than a couple months before we were moving on. I attended over 15 elementary schools in six years, three junior high schools in two years, and three high schools in four years.

After my military service (number 36 in the draft lottery) I worked any job I could get to put myself through school, but mostly construction. I've worked pulling green chain in sawmills, running a jackhammer, or, my personal favorite, raking asphalt. Every penny I've ever gotten I've earned. And before all you amazinhunks think I'm whining, well, I'm not. I wouldn't trade my background and my childhood with any one of you.

Shuckins, I am offended by your condensending tone. You obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about so now you're posturing to impress all the other Crying Whities on this thread who are squeaking the Gov't. may be doing more for someone else than they are for them. If, at fifty, I've worked hard enough for the last 20 years to build my business (that's right John I'm self employeed too only I'm not crying because the Gov't. won't give me any money) to the point where I don't have to do grunt work anymore then good for me, huh? My rewards are a child that has attended the same schools with the same kids since kindergarden through high school, a wife who doesn't have to work unless she wants to and a nice house in a good neighborhood.

If the term "trailer park trash" somehow offends your delicate lily-white sensibilites then that's just too bad. Huddle up with SirLoin, John and all the other right wing cry babies who feel they are being cheated and have a group hug. And if I'm an "upper crust leftist" then it's because I've worked my whole life to get here, and I've earned it.

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« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2002, 02:00:50 PM »
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Not true. Gays have exactly the same rights as you and I.

I can't marry a same sex person just like a gay person can't.

A gay can marry an opposite sex person just like I can.


ROTFLOL!!!

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« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2002, 02:27:29 PM »
Originally posted by mietla

"Not true. Gays have exactly the same rights as you and I.

I can't marry a same sex person just like a gay person can't."

*I agree.You both have the same lack of rights or freedom of choice.


"A gay can marry an opposite sex person just like I can."

*I agree.A gay also has the right to be a lumberjack,just like you can.
**JOKER'S JOKERS**

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« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2002, 02:59:08 PM »
LOL Elf, you troll so much, no one is taking you seriously.  See?  Told you! ;)

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« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2002, 03:10:38 PM »
Lily-White sensibilities!  Gee, didn't know I had any of those!  

The term is overused.  If cupcake, wop, and dago are considered to be offensive, racist terms then why not white trailer trash?  If I implied that all leftists are upper crust then I apologize.  What I attempted to point out was the contradictions  in a philosophy that attempts to gain respect for one group while scupcakeing at another.  From the tone of your post about the trailer-trash board game I was uncertain about the point you were trying to make.  

Condescending!?  Me!?  In what way?  For stating my belief that any system that extends favors to one group but not to another is morally bankrupt?  What part of that statement do you disagree with?  I'm sorry that anything I said threw you into such a rage.  Do you not agree that all poverty-stricken families deserve the same consideration?  A perfectly level playing field that extends aid to all that need it is the only fair one.

My life hasn't been as hard as yours.  I'm glad that you have achieved success in life despite all the obstacles that you mentioned.  But if you are going to quote "war stories" then I have a few from my own family to relate.

My mother was the child of a share-cropper in south Arkansas.  In the fall of 1934, after one of the worst droughts on record, my grandfather cleared $25 on the sale of his cotton.  Hardly enough to feed a family of seven for an entire winter.  He and his brother pooled their money and bought a coon dog and spent the winter hunting coons and selling their hides, which at that time brought $10 a hide.  The next year they bought a small farm of their own with the aid of a government loan.  There was no money to build a new house, so an old barn that was already on the property was torn down and the lumber used to construct a home.  While construction took place, the family lived in a tent.  During the Depression my grandfather did not have the five cents it took to buy a pair of bootlaces.  Instead he laced his boots with baling wire or string.

My father's family was in much the same condition.  The children of both families did not wear shoes to school.  The one pair that they had were worn only on Sundays.  They lived in wood-frame houses with so many cracks between the boards you could see the chickens scratching around outside the house.  Wood-stoves provided the only heat and there was no electricity, only coal-oil lamps.  Store-bought clothes were a luxury so all clothing was hand-made.

By the time my generation came along things had improved somewhat.  I do remember living in a three-room apartment in the back of a small country store on the "colored" side of the tracks.  Many of my first friends were Black.  I can remember stealing cold sodas from the old metal Coca-Cola drink box to give to an elderly Black-gentleman who was my friend.  We would sit on the wooden benches out front and drink them and talk.  I was pre-school age at the time.  His name has been forgotten among the other misty memories of that time more than forty years ago.  Since that time I have had, and continue to have many black friends.  The school that I teach in is a small rural school located in the eastern delta region of Arkansas.  The school population is almost evenly divided between Black and White, and the majority of them are impoverished.  I love and respect all of them.

You are not alone in the world, sir.  I attempted to point out in my first post that I considered the term "white-trailer trash" to be just as bigoted and racist as cupcake, or wop, or dago.  It was never my intention to be condescending.  There are upper-crust leftists in this country who stridently defend affirmative-action type programs and yet have little sympathy for the poor who do not belong to a minority.  There are upper-crust rightists who feel the same way.  Damn all of them!  Why should the poor of any color be treated as if they are invisible?

Regards,  Shuckins

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« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2002, 03:12:31 PM »
A black man and a white man are in a race. The race is the same distance for both of them, only the black man must carry this here piano.
Now that the race is half over, the crowd feels bad for making the black man carry the piano. So they let him put it down.

Do we have a fair race?

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« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2002, 03:22:52 PM »
libs are such dumbarses


what kind a game to you expect this guy to make?

ofcourse everyone knows how tough hes had it

I am sure he didnt embellish his life's experience to produce a game with the desired intent of making lily white libs feel bad
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How long do you think it will take before this game pops up in public schools.

Kinda reminds of the brown-blued chic who could make the middle class white female libs cry because she told them they were stupid because they had blue eyes.

They should rename it

"The Road to White Guilt"

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« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2002, 03:29:31 PM »
What about weight based handicapping to take into account those carrying sacks of potatoes too MT?  Or is it limited to musical instruments?

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« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2002, 03:36:00 PM »
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What about weight based handicapping to take into account those carrying sacks of potatoes too MT?  Or is it limited to musical instruments?


Well Fatty, you know hows them darkies likes to play music! And obviously the white man wouldn't be too far ahead......since they don't got that extra shin muscle. But I think we digress from the point of the little story.

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« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2002, 03:45:15 PM »
I don't know MT.  I think the point is you should look to give anyone carrying too much a fair race.

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« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2002, 03:48:31 PM »
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I don't know MT.  I think the point is you should look to give anyone carrying too much a fair race.


Spot on. Now how do we do that without either speeding up the black guy, or slowing down the white guy?

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« Reply #41 on: June 14, 2002, 03:54:20 PM »
You do it based on how much they are carrying, not what color they are.

It being starting a new race, not trying to arbitrarily decide where one would have been had he not been burdened.

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« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2002, 04:03:09 PM »
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You do it based on how much they are carrying, not what color they are.

It being starting a new race, not trying to arbitrarily decide where one would have been had he not been burdened.


Agreed on the burden thing, but "start a new race"? That's just silly. The race started 200+ years ago. It's too bad it doesn't start over for each new generation.
When everyone is provided the same opportunities it doesn't necessarily mean the race is even. Some of us have some catching up to do. When the "catching up" is done, then we will truly have equal opportunity.

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« Reply #43 on: June 14, 2002, 04:31:38 PM »
Goes without saying MT, every black person has it worse than any white person.....


I do wonder how many 22 year old blacks here grew up in a stone built house with meals cooked in a woodburning cast iron stove?  Hands, lets have a show of hands.

I'd glady raise mine but Im not black....


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« Reply #44 on: June 14, 2002, 04:39:33 PM »
"I defy any of you to post a link to a GOVERNMENT SUPPORTED program that denys access to benefits based solely on race."


Try this one.

Or this one.

Not hard to find.