China: Friend or foe?

[mrfish]

no charon, they appear in a variety of places througout the web.

there is a great discussion of some of these passages where indeed the sources are questions. i don't have the link now but i will post it later for balance.

in the end most are actually correct to the original text and the only disputed is the context.


edit - the post you posted is the link i was going to provide. read the refutations, all they can do is argue context on most of em - they admit they are there! besides, if you want to apply your own stndards to this guy's opinion then let's see some others refute it. i didn't rest on one source-you shouldn't either. i can post as many pro sites as you can con...

we have hundreds of websites relaying the info and one refuting it, research it yourself. even at that he only serves to support my claim in many cases! you believe what you want. my experiences match what i have read. the ones he admits to are enough for me.

if you find this site credible, then read it carefully - it makes my point quite nicely, especially when he is down to try to make excuses for the ones he admits to. some quotes he can't discredit, he only attacks their paragraph number! how pathetic is that.

"I find it hard to believe you married a Chinese woman and haven't encountered clannishness and persecution because of your race. A very good friend did and he was treated like dogcrap by her family (until several arranged marriages that went totally bad changed their overall opinion of non-Chinese)."

actually not at all - my experience has been - when you are in the family, you are in for life. there is no 'divorce' option. i have been ordered to appear in every family photo and attend every damn mah jong game   the chinese are warm and friendly, i have never had any probs but that's my experience everyone has to draw their own conclusions.

[ 11-06-2001: Message edited by: mrfish ]

[Serapis]

To get back on topic... I don't trust the current PRC government, but I don't fear them to any great degree. The worst case scenario would be an invasion of Taiwan, but we have stated our resolve and they can't (hopefully) doubt we would act on Taiwan's behalf. A destabilizing of the current government from internal pressures coul;d make anything possible though.

Charon

[Sandman]

Wow... you mean there are countries on this planet that don't trust and/or don't like the United States of America?  

How can this be?  

[-tronski-]

1. wtf is a goy?
2. what does a jewish fish look like?
3. Chow Yun-Fat is God

 Tronsky

[Eaglecz]

muhahaha its very funny to see how 2 most arrogant people of the world flaming each other

its not secret, that most of americans are stupid(non informed,they dont need info they americans) and arrogant

im working with people of chinna for about 4 years
they are most rasistic people i ever meet and they are as arrogant as americans

btw whats lie in "This is the America the whole world has wanted to see. Blood debts have been repaid in blood. America has bombed other countries and used its hegemony to deny the natural rights of others without paying the price. " ?

the first sentense.: when you are making bussines by movies about destroying your country, it seems that you enjoy sutch idea (im not the one who call it entertaiment or bussines)

the third sentense.: Its true that you drop some bombs on someone time by time.... so what should those people w/o your informations, w/o understanding your pont of view, think about you ?

wake up ... there are about 6.000.000.000 people on this planet and only 240.000.000 of them live in the USA, super holy country whitch can do whatever they want to do ..  ha ha

[funkedup]

My best friend in grad school was Chinese, from Beijing.  He and his wife are two of the warmest and most hospitable people you could ever meet.  I'm pretty sure that China has the same problems we have here.  A government that doesn't represent the views and goals of the people, and a lot of uneducated people who can't figure that out.

[senna]

Its too bad that God gave each of us life but couldnt garantee us all freedone. That we sometimes have to fight and die for. Yet I still have faith in humand kind but that everyone or at least most people really want the same things in life. So shreck all the corrupt, evil, people oppressing power mongols in this world. They are and have always been in the way of the true goals of life loving happy people in this world. They cant rule this planet forever and eventually will be overcome.

As far as China, well the gov is corrupt but thats the nature of all power freaks once they get the power. At least they dont have an offensive capable military aside from nukes. In my opinion, their true goal however is to simply better blend into the world economy without loosing their own culture to very powerfull external forces and influence. If they can achieve that, they have succeeded within their own goals. Maybe then communism will end in China. If the rich bastards can keep their money, communism can die. The corrupt bastards in high level politics will still be there though.

At least these days though, there is less starving and book burning.

[AKSWulfe]

Isn't China still communist? I don't think there's a question about it, their government doesn't like us at all.... but they just can't live without us. Without us, they would most likely fall apart because we are their biggest trade partner. Us without them, we would also suffer because of the same reason.

However, I do like this... "This is the America the whole world has wanted to see. Blood debts have been repaid in blood. America has bombed other countries and used its hegemony to deny the natural rights of others without paying the price. Who until now has dared to avenge the hurts inflicted by unaccountable Americans."

Basically what this feller is saying is that despite how many countries hate us- they're all lilly livered weenies, and it took some crazy islamic extremist terrorist to do it for them.

Are they too busy cowering in the corner to do what they apparently think should have been done for a long time now?

-SW

[Eaglecz]

Originally posted by funkedup
My best friend in grad school was Chinese, from Beijing.  He and his wife are two of the warmest and most hospitable people you could ever meet.  I'm pretty sure that China has the same problems we have here.  A government that doesn't represent the views and goals of the people, and a lot of uneducated people who can't figure that out.

one of best note Funked

[Gman]

My best friend in grad school was Chinese, from Beijing. He and his wife are two of the warmest and most hospitable people you could ever meet. I'm pretty sure that China has the same problems we have here. A government that doesn't represent the views and goals of the people, and a lot of uneducated people who can't figure that out.

Sounds a lot like western Canadians in relation to the federal government.  O'reilly is currently calling for a boycott of Canada, I guess we may be the next "enemy" according to him.

Great words FunkedUp.

I worked in Hong Kong for Magnum Films for 6 months, and met a lot of Asian Movie stars, directors, and other people in that industry.  They all spoke very well of mainland China (this was pre 97), and the few times I went over to the mainland I was very impressed with the people of the country, as much as I detested what their government represented.  

That still doesn't change the fact that they have a massive military, and a government who's policies and thought process aren't that easy for us in the west to analize.  China could just as easily be a major enemy to the free world as it could be a friend, it'll just depend on the way the tide comes in.

[Red Ant]

MrFish, you truly take the cake. Next you'll be trotting out "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and claiming it to be real

I wish i never opened this thread. I've always known on an intellectual level that diseased minds like yours exist, but coming (virtually) face to face with one is truly horrifying. Words fail me.. I'm gonna go be sick now