Awesome interview with Uncle Ted

[Yeager]

I liked Nugent as a raunchy rock guitarist.

I like Nugent even more as a rabbid amazinhunk who spits out honest truth and slays evil liberals with a flick of his tounge.

Its funny as hell to hear the guy smash the socialist agenda with such blinding honesty.

I would love to have the guy as a neighbor but Im at least satisfied that he is a fellow american.  

If someone like Nugent was running the show on 9/11 the world would have been a far better place on 9/12.  Radiation levels would have been increased unfortunately but the long term message would have been this:  F*ck with the big dog and get your bellybutton whooped in a most serious fashion.  

As it is.  GWBush dropped the ball "big time"..l. he had a wonderfull opportunity to change the world for the benifit of free people everywhere.  Now we have to take a serious bellybutton kicking before the big guns finally come out and slay the evil bastards once and for all.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Udie


 How about somebody who has planted over 100,000 trees with his own hands?

I typically call them "farmers" not activists.

[Udie]

Originally posted by Sandman_SBM


I typically call them "farmers" not activists.

 Yeah they actually help, the activist don't.  But hey they feal good about it so it must be ok!

[midnight Target]

Sorry Udie, but as a native Californian and one who lived through the repeated 2nd and 3rd degree smog alerts of the 70's I applaude the activists who made the changes happen. Industry and Government would NOT have enacted clean air laws or clean water laws without the screaming so many did back in the early 70's.

I can see the mountains on most summer days now. When I was in high school we had family visit in the summer who never knew there were mountains 50 miles away. I can vividly remember signs posted in the gym stating that you Play at Yourt Own Risk!

Sea Otters were a legend when I was in college on the Central Coast. Now they are a common sight.

The point is, things didn't get better due to industry becoming suddenly enlightened! Things got better because some folks were willing to make a scene.

Earth Day was started by activists. Please do not confuse activists and terrorists.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry Udie, but as a native Californian and one who lived through the repeated 2nd and 3rd degree smog alerts of the 70's I applaude the activists who made the changes happen. Industry and Government would NOT have enacted clean air laws or clean water laws without the screaming so many did back in the early 70's.

I can see the mountains on most summer days now. When I was in high school we had family visit in the summer who never knew there were mountains 50 miles away. I can vividly remember signs posted in the gym stating that you Play at Yourt Own Risk!

Sea Otters were a legend when I was in college on the Central Coast. Now they are a common sight.

The point is, things didn't get better due to industry becoming suddenly enlightened! Things got better because some folks were willing to make a scene.

Earth Day was started by activists. Please do not confuse activists and terrorists.

You'll find most conservatives support certain, but not all, "Earth First" type activities.  Its when they go too far to the left and crosses that fine line called "Human Rights" rather than favoring an animals' life over that of a human life is when it upsets conservatives.  Your first "Wildlife conservationists" were indeed hunters as well.  There are activists groups that give a bad name to "Conservation of the planet", PITA is one of those.  The Sierra club is trying to shut down snomobiling in Yellowstone (but fail to show what results that 1,000 times more automobile emissions do to the atmosphere in Yellowstone)  Its about fund raising, which pays someone a paycheck with certain "Activist" groups.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort


You'll find most conservatives support certain, but not all, "Earth First" type activities.  Its when they go too far to the left and crosses that fine line called "Human Rights" rather than favoring an animals' life over that of a human life is when it upsets conservatives.  Your first "Wildlife conservationists" were indeed hunters as well.  There are activists groups that give a bad name to "Conservation of the planet", PITA is one of those.  The Sierra club is trying to shut down snomobiling in Yellowstone (but fail to show what results that 1,000 times more automobile emissions do to the atmosphere in Yellowstone)  Its about fund raising, which pays someone a paycheck with certain "Activist" groups.

"Earth First" has proven themselves to be terrorists. PETA has done some things that make me cringe at the idiocy. The Sierra Club is a benign organization, and the snowmobile issue is just their way of doing what "can be done". (Outlawing all cars from Yosemite is not feasible ...yet).
It's not "all about fund raising" for all activists. My main concern is with the lumping of legitimate forward thinkers like Rachel Carson, with terrorists and wackos like Earth First. Doing so would be similar to equating Ronald Reagan with the KKK.

[Ripsnort]

Agreed Midnight (I was using "Earth First" as a mindset, not an org).  Most prudent people can distinguish legit orgs from non-legits orgs.  Ted is one of those that CAN distinguish, as apparently yourself as well.  The difference is he calls BS on them, outspokenly...and draws the appropriate attention.

[Udie]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry Udie, but as a native Californian and one who lived through the repeated 2nd and 3rd degree smog alerts of the 70's I applaude the activists who made the changes happen. Industry and Government would NOT have enacted clean air laws or clean water laws without the screaming so many did back in the early 70's.

I can see the mountains on most summer days now. When I was in high school we had family visit in the summer who never knew there were mountains 50 miles away. I can vividly remember signs posted in the gym stating that you Play at Yourt Own Risk!

Sea Otters were a legend when I was in college on the Central Coast. Now they are a common sight.

The point is, things didn't get better due to industry becoming suddenly enlightened! Things got better because some folks were willing to make a scene.

Earth Day was started by activists. Please do not confuse activists and terrorists.

 Ok I'll agree with you that activisim has done good for our polution controll in large cities like LA/Houston.  I can remember Houston in the early 70's and the brown skies.  Now it's pretty much just at rush hours that there is the brown haze, and it's mainly over the freeways.

 BUT

 I insist that you agree with me that business is not all bad.  I'll use my uncle again for demostration.  He's been cutting trees in Louisiana for going on 30 years now.   His first business went bankrupt as a direct result of the tree spiking incident.  He was in the hospitol too long and there was nobody to take care of the business so it went under and he lost EVERYTHING (ie. business, home, cars.... everything he owned)  but he kept his life thank God.   Well now he has another, even more successful logging business.  Guess what he cuts?   Trees that he himself planted over 20 years ago.  Trees that were planted by my great uncle 30+ years ago.   My family in Louisiana has been in the logging business for almost a century.  They ALWAYS plant after they cut.  This insures that there will be work in 2 decades time.  It's smart for business and it helps the environment  Yet activist have been after loggers for 2 or 3 decades now.  All they see is a cute tree.  They don't see the big picture, only what they want to see and they try and keep people from earning a living, that to me is evil.  What's a better deal for the environment?  1. Sitting in a tree for six months (how much stress does that add to that tree)  OR 2. Using the same time to plant a forest?

 There are plenty of examples like this out there .   Hunters are a great example of this.  I myself have done "green" things to help give "hunted" animals a better place to live and grow big and strong.  Yet PETA would like to skin me alive for killing animals.  You hear people talk about evil oil companies.  Well as Uncle Ted says (not an exact quote)  "You open a candy bar, you just drilled for oil"  90% of what we buy/use/need had it's start from some sort of crude oil.

 errrrgggg I gotta get to work

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Udie


...Well now he has another, even more successful logging business.  Guess what he cuts?   Trees that he himself planted over 20 years ago.  Trees that were planted by my great uncle 30+ years ago....

Sounds like farming to me.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Sorry Udie, but as a native Californian and one who lived through the repeated 2nd and 3rd degree smog alerts of the 70's I applaude the activists who made the changes happen. Industry and Government would NOT have enacted clean air laws or clean water laws without the screaming so many did back in the early 70's.

I can see the mountains on most summer days now. When I was in high school we had family visit in the summer who never knew there were mountains 50 miles away. I can vividly remember signs posted in the gym stating that you Play at Yourt Own Risk!

Sea Otters were a legend when I was in college on the Central Coast. Now they are a common sight.

The point is, things didn't get better due to industry becoming suddenly enlightened! Things got better because some folks were willing to make a scene.

Earth Day was started by activists. Please do not confuse activists and terrorists.

Hehe!

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/14/D8DSL9JG2.html

Los Angeles Named Nation's Smog Capital
Nov 14 10:23 PM US/Eastern
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LOS ANGELES


The greater Los Angeles region surpassed Houston and the San Joaquin Valley as the nation's smog capital, in part because of a change in method of ranking, federal officials said.

Air quality in Los Angeles, Orange, Riverside and San Bernardino counties exceeded the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's smog standard on 84 days this year, the agency said. The EPA considers the totals to be final numbers for 2005 because the smog season runs from May through September.

"It's a tough job cleaning up the ozone at this point because there are not a lot of easy emissions to target," said Joe Cassmassi, planning and rules manager for the South Coast Air Quality Management District, the region's main smog-fighting agency. Ozone is one of the components of smog.

Houston and the San Joaquin Valley, which in recent years rivaled or surpassed Los Angeles as the country's smoggiest areas, ranked lower this year.

But Los Angeles' rank comes with an asterisk.

The EPA this year switched from measuring smog over a one-hour period to measuring it over an eight-hour span. Under the old system, Houston would have edged out Los Angeles for the top spot by violating the standard on 33 days compared with 30 days.

Although it led the nation in smoggy days, the Los Angeles region's air is considerably cleaner than it used to be.

The air violated federal standards on 90 days in 2004 and 120 days in In 1976, it exceeded federal standards for more than half the year.

Los Angeles could lose federal transportation funding if the area continues to violate the smog standard by 2021.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hehe!
Although it led the nation in smoggy days, the Los Angeles region's air is considerably cleaner than it used to be.

The air violated federal standards on 90 days in 2004 and 120 days in ????.  In 1976, it exceeded federal standards for more than half the year.  

Thanks for helping me make a point... and here I thought you didn't care.

[Skilless]

See Rule #7

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Hehe!
Houston and the San Joaquin Valley, which in recent years rivaled or surpassed Los Angeles as the country's smoggiest areas, ranked lower this year.

Which is why I like living on eastern side of the Sierra Nevada.

[Ripsnort]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Thanks for helping me make a point... and here I thought you didn't care.

Its not that I care, just a follow up to a previous conversation...and food for thought, if a lake is just half polluted than it was, does it make it any safer to eat fish out of it?

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its not that I care, just a follow up to a previous conversation...and food for thought, if a lake is just half polluted than it was, does it make it any safer to eat fish out of it?

I think if I do the math correctly, a lake that is half as polluted is twice as safe.