Author Topic: $12000 for a piece of paper... (Read 956 times)

Nifty · « **Reply #15 on:** June 17, 2002, 03:55:37 AM »

screw Intel and AMD, Bloom! Go into the video card industry and make us better vid cards! Well, that's what my stepbro does. works for Matrox down in West Palm Beach. Besides, do you really want to work with DjV???

CyranoAH · « **Reply #16 on:** June 17, 2002, 04:42:55 AM »

WTG Bloom, welcome to the prestigious family of the EEs, with such famous members as Rowan Atkinson

:D:D

I see you are more into Electronics than Telecoms (my field)... that may give you an advantage, since the electronics industry is far better than the telecoms at the moment.

Enjoy your vacation!

Daniel

scspook · « **Reply #17 on:** June 17, 2002, 05:18:13 AM »

If I save yours to my HD, Print it out and change my name by deed poll, i to can have one and all for $30.00.

Woohoo !!

Toad · « **Reply #18 on:** June 17, 2002, 06:20:02 AM »

Congratulations!

And thanks for all the great advice you given to so many of us over the years.

Best Wishes.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #19 on:** June 17, 2002, 07:53:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
screw Intel and AMD, Bloom! Go into the video card industry and make us better vid cards! Well, that's what my stepbro does. works for Matrox down in West Palm Beach. Besides, do you really want to work with DjV???

Ah.. it's a big company. He wouldn't be working with me... maybe not even on the same campus. I do manufacturing research... not layout design.

AKDejaVu

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #20 on:** June 17, 2002, 08:00:40 AM »

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Originally posted by bloom25
Was 80% pretty close DejaVu? (It might actually be higher, I was trying to be conservative based on what I've heard a couple months ago.)

Depends on what yield you are talking about. If you are talking wafer yield... you are way low. If you are talking die-per-wafer... you are still low.. though not as much.

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I've got a question for you as well - Does Intel use phase shifting masks for .13u? I remember you mentioning that you're moving from 248nm to 193nm (ArF excimer laser ? ), so I thought you might know that as well. I've heard that masks for .13u are REALLY expensive, so I was wondering what was so special about them...

We always look at PsM or related types of layouts early in a process, but seldomely go with them. Having to expose the same wafer twice isn't a popular option.

The reticles for the 193nm stuff have to be a tad more pure than the 248nm due to higher energies being sent through them. The real expense comes with the pelicle (that protects the reticle) and finding a material that will not melt but is still extremely thin and strong.

The optics for the steppers gets much more complex with each progressing reduction in wavelength. The 193nm optics can take 5 months of cure time with about a 30-40% success rate (you don't know until they are done). The 157nm stuff is more like a 10% success rate.

AKDejaVu

Curval · « **Reply #21 on:** June 17, 2002, 08:53:37 AM »

$12,000? You got a bargoon! Or do you mean $12,000 per annum? I'm assuming you took the cost as being tuition costs at $3,000 per year (for 4 years) or $4,000 per year (for 3 years).

Don't forget to add in your living costs during the 3 or 4 years you were there...then add to that the "opportunity" cost of going to school...in other words, you "could" have MADE say $25,000 a year digging ditches if you didn't attend college..that is a real cost of being at school.

So...the real cost would be well over $100,000!

(sorry...it is my job)

Congrats though, in any case.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #22 on:** June 17, 2002, 09:17:38 AM »

Congrats Bloom!

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** June 17, 2002, 09:23:34 AM »

WTG Bloom!