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Offline Thrawn

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« Reply #45 on: June 19, 2002, 08:44:30 PM »
High time you sent my country men into a hostile situation you don't want your country men in...wait a minute.

High time the US actually paid it's UN dues.  So the UN doesn't have to take money from peace keeping coffers in order to pay it's rent and staff.

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« Reply #46 on: June 19, 2002, 09:09:25 PM »
LOL.. as if the region would see any diffrence between canadian and american peacekeeping troops!

"On September 24 2001, the House of Representatives authorized $582 million in back dues owed to the United Nations. This enabled the Bush Administration to pay the U.S. arrears to the U.N. "Meeting our financial obligations to the United Nations will help to ensure that our policy-makers can keep the focus on broad policies that unite the members of the Security Council in the fight against global terrorism," said Rep. Henry Hyde (R-IL) chairman of the House International Relations Committee."

And, just in case you wern't aware, we put a heluva lot more money into UN aid programs and peacekeeping than you guys up there in Canada do.. in fact we are the single largest contributor in the UN, annually investing significantly more into that orginization over it's lifetime in funds, manpower and peace keeping than any other nation on this fediddlein planet.

Oh, BTW; get the fediddlein canadian as well as mosta the other UN dildomats that park anywhere they please around NYC to pay the parking fines they incur and with the proceeds we can rebuild the WTC.

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« Reply #47 on: June 19, 2002, 09:23:59 PM »
Thanks for the update...I suck.

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« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2002, 12:05:06 AM »
"Apparently it had some influence on a rare High Court's decision, issued three weeks ago, to order the army to enforce the orders the army already issued regarding "Avigail Point" and to prevent any further construction there. Until, of course, the settlers get their authorizations."

doenst this mean that the settlement was stopped?
Isnt this an example of the isrealies policing themselves?

I might be misunderstanding...

Its like the long post a few weeks ago about isreali extremists being arrested by isreali police. The poster intended to prove that the isrealis where as bad as the palistinians...But all he proved is that the isrealis can police their own.

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« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2002, 12:54:58 AM »
The jews claim Israel because "God" gave them the land.

The muslims kill the jews in the name of "Allah" and believe they go to paradise.

Like sheep to the slaughter.....all in the name of "God".

"God" is the oldest scam in the book...and religeons are the root of ALL evil.

It's amazing that people can be controlled by such an obvious scam as "God".

Of all of mans inventions "God" is the most destructive.

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« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2002, 12:55:18 AM »
- Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, member of the Palestinian Fatwa Council

"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Wherever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Americans who are like them."

Arafat in a meeting with Arab diplomats in January 1996:

"We the PLO will concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living on the West Bank and in Jerusalem. The PLO plans to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Plastinian State. We will make life unbearable for Jews by psychological warfare and population explosion; Jews won't want to live among Arabs."

Arafat during an October 21,1996 speech at the Dehaishe refugee camp:

"We know only one word:jihad,jihad, jihad.When we stopped the intifada, we did not stop the jihad for the establishment of a Palestinian state whose capital is Jerusalem. And now we are entering the phase of the great jihad prior to the establishment of an independant Palestinian state whose capital is Jerusalem...We are in a conflict with the Zionist movement and the Balfour Decleration and all imperialist activities."

...what he gonna do?  Change his (thier) mind(s)?

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« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2002, 12:56:42 AM »
Almost forgot... nuff said
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« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2002, 01:07:55 AM »
"High time the US actually paid it's UN dues"

We have grave yards FULL of dead American service men.  Where do we send the corpses.

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« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2002, 02:03:05 AM »
Hmmm inneresting link - from The Israeli Information Center for Human Rights in the Occupied Territories

Figures for both sides up to Jan 31 2002
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« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2002, 02:16:48 AM »
Whats the current Palestinian population in the West Bank?
Of that large group, how many have actually committed suicide bombings? How many more will?
The continued occupation of the occupied territories by Israeli settlements and troops will only bring more death to both sides.
Punishing the whole for what a fraction do will only increase the pool of those willing to die to revenge what has been done to them. That fraction of suicide bombers will continue to grow because of the result of the Israeli occupation. End the occupation, along with establishing a Palestinian State with a business infrastructure will do more to insuring Israeli security longterm than the current situation. Make no mistake, Israel holds the key to how this will go.
As a US taxpayer, I'd like to see the current money going to Israel reduced to 25% of what it is now. I'd like the remaining 75% of the money spent on helping rebuild a Palestinian State under the direction of the UN. We'd sure make a lot more friends that way. The Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world could no longer claim that we weren't helping the Palestinians.
Remember that innocent people are being killed and maimed from both sides. These casualties include INNOCENT women, men, boys, girls, the elderly, babies also. You all are sick if you can justify innocent human beings be they Israeli or Palestinian being killed. End the occupation.
Remember, do not punish the whole for the fraction.

oops, edited because of a sentence that didn't say what I was trying to say  :)
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« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2002, 02:39:29 AM »
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Whats the current Palestinian population in the West Bank?]

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Of that large group, how many have actually committed suicide bombings? Of that large group how many more will?

....enough of them.
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The continued occupation of the occupied territories by Israeli settlements and troops will only bring more death to both sides.

We'll see eh?
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Punishing the whole for what a fraction do will only increase the pool of those willing to die to revenge what has been done to them.

I'd say the majority of peace loving Palestinians should maybe get off thier tulips and do something about the fractional pool.
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That fraction of suicide bombers will continue to grow because of the result of the Israeli occupation.

Grow or remain the same...whats the difference?
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End the occupation, along with establishing a Palestinian State with a business infrastructure will do more to insuring Israeli security longterm than the current situation.

I believe thats what Isreal will do.. but why should they not hold out until the bombing stops?  Why should they negotiate with terrorism?  Isreal is seen as folding to terror = more terror elsewhere.
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Make no mistake, Israel holds the key to how this will go.

I disagree.  Palestine has every opportunity to stop the bombing, negotiate in a civil manner (with U.S. backing at that point) and get thier state.  They won't... they won't stop until Isreal is no more and every Jew there is dead or pushed into the sea (ref: Arafat)
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As a US taxpayer, I'd like to see the current money going to Israel reduced to 25% of what it is now. I'd like the remaining 75% of the money spent on helping rebuild a Palestinian State under the direction of the UN.

What in the world for?  As a U.S. taxpayer I find any monetary managing of U.S. funds done by the U.N. revolting.
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We'd sure make a lot more friends that way.

JMHO but we don't need any more friends.  We need less enemies
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The Palestinians and the rest of the Arab world could no longer claim that we weren't helping the Palestinians.

I find helping the Palestinians in any way until they stop bombing even more revolting... let them rot until then.
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Remember that innocent people are being killed and maimed from both sides. These casualties include INNOCENT women, men, boys, girls, the elderly, babies also. You all are sick if you can justify innocent human beings be they Israeli or Palestinian being killed.

Who's justifying killing anyone who's innocent?  Better yet.. who's TARGETING those you refer to?
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End the occupation.

stop the bombing
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Remember, do not punish the whole for the fraction.

stop the bombing

I hope Isreal stands firm.  Stop the bombing and stop it for a specific amount of negotiated time.  If then they don't take steps for a palestinan state I don't care who dies, bombs or gets killed.  But right now, in the here and now... stop the bombing.  If the bombing doesn't stop... occupy more land and more land until they don't have to worry about the low-lifes anymore.
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« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2002, 02:46:51 AM »
In June a poll taken in the Gaza Strip found that 78% of the population approved of suicide bombings, considerably more than supported peace talks (60%).

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« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2002, 03:01:35 AM »
Yep, unless the palestinians actually are given some decent future prospects to look forward to, the suicide bombers everybody is so upset about will keep coming.

Against someone that determined, there is no real defense. And don't delude yourselves, like the Israeli right wingers seem to have a tendency to, that the said palestinians are just "subhuman monsters" (see the article above), motivated by their craving for innocent Jewish blood. These people are desperate, fighting a battle they don't have any real way of winning, with horrendous casualties on their side. No matter what the highly publicized, dreaded suicide bombs reap in dead and maimed, the Merkhavas, M60s and Apaches are way more effective. Just check the link above (in -dead-'s post): around 2000 palestinians versus less than 500 Israelis.

This is how the suicide bombers are made. If your brother, sister, mother etc would be "collaterally damaged" in one of those "surgical strikes" the IDF seem so fond of, combined with no real future prospects of a normal family or at least some economical prosperity, you might start thinking about wearing that belt. And you might not be too choosy whom you target with it. Of course noone can ever excuse the killing of innocent civilians (by either side, btw). The problem is that, in such a conflict, there is no such thing in the mind of the combatants (after all, if the IDF can kill you brother/sister/father why would you spare the relatives of the soldier that pushed the trigger). The religious craze is just the final drop, justifiying an act that otherwise just might be rejected by the last traces of empathy left by the years of hatred and revenge wishes. No imam or mullah could ever convince happy, prosperous young men to dress up in plastic explosive and light that match (there are exceptions to that, notably the guys piloting the planes on 11/9, the Waco guys, the japanese sarin spreading weirdos or any suicide sect for that matter; however, it would never turn into a mass fenomenon, like it is now). This is why you don't see saudis blowing up in Jerusalem.

Of course, exactly the same reasoning applies to the opposite side. Every time a suicide bomber kills some Jewish youngster, there is a chance that kid's brothers/friends will become rather poised against everything of arabic descent/origin, and when they take their turn serving in the IDF, well... Or even worse, it might motivate more Israelis to join the settlers, the main source of this neverending bloodshed.

Anyway, my condoleances to every family touched by this festering conflict. I hope I will live to see the day this will end, and I hope I won't regret seeing it.

Just my .1 oere.
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« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2002, 03:25:31 AM »
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doenst this mean that the settlement was stopped?
Isnt this an example of the isrealies policing themselves?

No, it means the outpost has been declared illegal. 66 were declared illegal in 2001, and the defence minister promised to remove them immediately. 61 are still there.

Settlements are not removed. Sometimes they are abandoned, but not removed. The only group able to physically remoe them are the IDF, and whilst they have proved very capable at remoing Palestinians, they always back down in the face of settlers.

Read the bit about the shops in Hebron again. They are priae property, yet they are being taken over, and there is nothing the Arabs can do about it. Even with police protection, they were driven off. Can you imagine the police being driven off by Arabs?

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I hope Isreal stands firm. Stop the bombing and stop it for a specific amount of negotiated time. If then they don't take steps for a palestinan state I don't care who dies, bombs or gets killed. But right now, in the here and now... stop the bombing. If the bombing doesn't stop... occupy more land and more land until they don't have to worry about the low-lifes anymore.

Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza in 1967. They then "pacified" he territories, which remained relatiely peaceful until the late 80s. In that time, the settlements began to be established.

By 1993, and the Oslo accords signed with the PLO, there were 100,000 settlers. The Oslo accords promised a Palestinian state within 5 years. By 1998, there were 200,000 settlers. That doubling occured during a period that was supposed to be leading up to a Palestinian state.

The settlements are not about securiy, the IDF is continually complaining the settlements require so many soldiers that hey don't have enough to man the border with the West Bank, or to provide security within Israel.

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If the bombing doesn't stop... occupy more land and more land until they don't have to worry about the low-lifes anymore

Where do the 4 million Palestinians go when all their land is occupied?

As a policy, occupying more land every time there's a bombing might have worked, if Israel hadn't been busy occupying more land even when there wasn't a bombing.

It's a simple situation. The Palestinians have land the Israelis want. The Israelis are busy removing them from it. That means war.

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« Reply #59 on: June 20, 2002, 03:43:06 AM »
Thank you Hangtime, my limited knowledge of english stops me from answering to these posts as I'm never certain as to how I'd explain my pov properly... (perhaps I should do it it french, but I have a feeling it would be lost somehow :) )

Someone please pay a beer to that guy on my behalf at the con.
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