true FW190 rollrate

[illo]

Originally posted by RRAM
I understand the need to reduce the rollrate of the 190 at low to medium speeds. If it caused warping, a slight decrease of the rollrate to avoid it is something I don't really mind.

However...at high speeds there is no warp problem, and the 190's rollrate at high speeds seems to be too low in AH ...and not because playability reasons.

That is what I talk about in this thread. The low-to-med speed 190's rollrate is something I can live with

Hmmm...so you think it's better to have fantasy FMs than enchanged netcode?

If people warp. Reducing rollrate of 190 isn't any way to fix it IMHO. Correct what is wrong.

[RRAM]

SOUP, as I already told you, many of the documents regarding WWII planes are not at the  public access even today. Those documents can be looked at with permission, and used for studies, etc (that ETC includes using the data to model planes in a WWII-vintage Simulation), but under a strict NDA agreement.

That is for real, and it is 100% true. As for why isn't that information available for the public today, 60 years after WWII happened, don't ask me. Ask those who manage those files.

Originally posted by illo


Hmmm...so you think it's better to have fantasy FMs than enchanged netcode?

If people warp. Reducing rollrate of 190 isn't any way to fix it IMHO. Correct what is wrong.

I'd rather have a fliable game than no game at all. Look it from any angle and perspective you want to look it at. I am a dedicated Fw190A pilot in aces high ,still I stay on what I said.

[moot]

HT said there was no adjustment to the FM for gameplay purposes.

[illo]

Originally posted by moot
HT said there was no adjustment to the FM for gameplay purposes.

So how about getting some rollrate for our belowed 190As.

[lord dolf vader]

im confused ,

was the 190 roll rate lowered in ah? if so why was it done? does the new chart this fellow has say the roll rate now is to slow or the first version? i played from the first week of beta and dont remember super rolling 190s. some people made carriers of doing the flip flop evade anyway.


 why is so much ah info  secret? obviously lots of well educated people all over the world trying to find what is correct. little real feedback even when the research is really well done it seems.

[straffo]

@lord dolf vader
Wht do you find confusing in this post  :

Originally posted by hitech
We have not changed any performace figures on any plane, including the 190 roll rate for "game play/internet resones".



HiTech

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[Imp]

Originally posted by Angus
Its not such a big stick, so somehow the controls must have been very light. What made the 190 roll so insanely well anyway?

I believe it was its ailerons.

They were just very effective.

[bj229r]

never saw any charts for it....but R.S. Johnson's bio said that he
managed to get a LOT of 190 and 109 kills in his P47C by using
the inCREDible roll rate of the jug to make the guy think he turned
inside him..which jug obvioulsy cant do--makes sense that jug would have a good roll, at least in the direction of engine rotation--that would apply to FW and zeke as well. Jug real heavy yes, but with weight centered..oughtnt hinder roll rate--jug here rolls like b17

[illo]

Originally posted by bj229r
never saw any charts for it....but R.S. Johnson's bio said that he
managed to get a LOT of 190 and 109 kills in his P47C by using
the inCREDible roll rate of the jug to make the guy think he turned
inside him..which jug obvioulsy cant do--makes sense that jug would have a good roll, at least in the direction of engine rotation--that would apply to FW and zeke as well. Jug real heavy yes, but with weight centered..oughtnt hinder roll rate--jug here rolls like b17

Jug has about half the rollrate of 190. Somewhere over 3secs compared to 1.8sec (360degrees) in FW190. A6M has a quite crappy rollrate despite of its big ailerons. Clipped wing spits are closest match to 190 with around 2.4sec roll IIRC.

[lord dolf vader]

We have not changed any performace figures on any plane, including the 190 roll rate for "game play/internet resones".

HiTech

the part that this can mean they have changed it but for other reasons. or they didnt change it at all ever . all it really means is they didnt do it for internet/gamplay reasons.
 
hell, let me back off here. i dont have a guess if  they changed it at all. i have left the game twice so i dont have continious experience in them. so who knows (ht, pyro htc ect) and noone else. i just wish we knew  as the reasonings behind this decisions is facinating to me.

for instance in another thread just yesterday ht  himself explained why the lw rocket tubes arent dropable. it was unquestionably well thought out and the correct way to model the things. more intimate knowlege of game decisions like that makes me trust their wisdom in game mechanics i believe  more public explanations like that leading to a respectful dialog would be absolutly wonderful. but after years of this i realize it just aint gonna happen. i guess i just dont understand it and will have to live with that.

[straffo]

Well I read it more simply than you
without any digression

[joeblogs]

Could someone post the NACA report number or the exact url of that report?  I'd like to see it.  

Has anyone calculated the number of g's implied by 100+ degree per second roll at such high speeds?  Seems to me it could be really, really high.

-Blogs

[whgates3]

...seems like it would be negative G, or possibly not, depending on where the pilot was with respect to the axis of roll...i'm there is a safe limit to negative Gs and after that to red-out or other effects probably kill you - can you red-out yourself to death?
does your head explode?

[gripen]

NACA 868

Actually data on Fw 190, Spitfires, Typhoon and Mustang on that report come from RAE tests. And above claimed "true Fw 190 roll rate" chart comes from the very same test.

gripen

[moot]

There was quote of a pilot saying the roll rate on a 190 (don't remember which one) would rip parts off other planes had they that much roll rate.