Author Topic: Hermann Graf (Read 405 times)

senna · « **Reply #15 on:** June 19, 2002, 07:23:14 PM »

GR,

>I hate people who betray their friends.
>I hate poeople who choose communism.

I totally can agree with your standpoint on this however being the superficial bastard that I am when it comes to sexy looking war machines, he had one helluva cool looking red nose 19

Hangtime · « **Reply #16 on:** June 19, 2002, 08:06:55 PM »

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I am not into hero worship but I have respect for the "struggle".... In the early war the raf and in particular the poles showed the world as much about the warrior spirit as anyone else.

Ain't that the truth!

Every time i struggle with the BOB planeset I wonder how in hell they (the brits and the poles) managed to survive with rifle caliber guns in sub-par planes against the LW.

Goering was a dolt, and Kurt Tank is gay.

midnight Target · « **Reply #17 on:** June 19, 2002, 09:39:25 PM »

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Originally posted by Wotan
Graf is a respectable warrior in the air but he did betray his friends.

I dont hold the same level of respect say for an allied pilot who gets 20 kills with odds 100 to 1 in his favor as I do say someone like Rudel or any of the Sturmjaeger aces.

I never cared for pac war stuff for just this reason. F4us, p38s and f6fs won the war in the pac but common was there ever a doudt?

I have lotsa of respect for japaneese pilots. In the early war the raf and in particular the poles showed the world as much about the warrior spirit as anyone else.

Dont missunderstand what I am saying they all deserve our respect and admiration but I believe keeping it in context.

I am not into hero worship but I have respect for the "struggle".

I agree completely with the spirit of your post. I would add those Navy and Marine airmen who had to tangle with the Zeke in the early war using F4F's and in the case of the AAC the P-40.

Pongo · « **Reply #18 on:** June 19, 2002, 10:31:17 PM »

Nothing wrong with rooting for the under dog. But the whole warrior spirit thing hurt the Japanese and Germans far more then it helped them.
Herman Graff was a great pilot. Its not as if he betrayed his country men to the russians..or fought against them for the russians.
Apperenlty Pipps Priller(our 190a8 pilot) derrided him quite a bit. But he never served in a gulag. Hartmann was quite a bit more forgiving.

Graf was the first pilot to reach 200 victories. He did so befor Hartmann had any kills I believe.
He shot down 62 aircraft in september 1942 alone....
he has nothing to prove to any of us.......

DarkglamJG52 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 20, 2002, 11:25:45 AM »

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Originally posted by RRAM
Y barkhorn,y bauer, y "ansi" hahn, y mil mas...... nos ha jodido .....si tengo q nombrar a todos......

Sip, pero top ace del 190 sólo hubo uno: Otto Kittel.