Author Topic: Spain 0 - korea -2. Referee 2- Spain 0. (Read 1010 times)

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2002, 09:07:05 PM »

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GOGOGOGOGOGOGO
Korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saintaw · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2002, 09:12:35 PM »

I shouldnt....I shouldn't.... but..... MUUUUUUAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A !:D

Naso · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2002, 02:19:00 AM »

This is RAM in a post when Italy was the victim of the robbery:

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Naso...the other day in the Spain - Ireland match, we got very questionable offsides ourselfs. At least two were very very clear chances for Spain, and one of Morientes was even more clear than Tommasi's.

The other day we got 2 penalties in our box. Last one was clear as a sunny day, but first one WAS NOT Penalty. Was far from it.

When match ended, we were talking about how bad spain had played last 35 minutes. About the errors made by Camacho. About how we almost lost a match we should have won. About the luck we have in having Casillas. About Spain HAVING to change attitude if we want to win a world cup. About how sad would've had to return home after having lost a match we had already won.

Very little of the talk was directed at Frisk, the swedish referee. VERY little. And it had been ESSENTIAL in the match. BASSIC for the IRish recovering their confidence in themselfs. THe guy did an HORRIBLE work even while he almost got us killed.

Why?. Because we SHOULD be able to win EVEN with those errors, and Eire is much a better team than Korea. A team which scores 3 goals doesn't care about what the referee says or does. If Italy had stayed with the ball after scoring the first goal, and had showed will to WIN by more than one goal, then now you would be in semifinals.

Yep, you can say you got unlucky, and I will agree with it. Vieri missed 2m away from goal line. Gattusso Had a very very clear chance too (heh, but HE IS GATTUSO...had he been Del Piero you think he'd have missed?).

Blame your players for their innacuracy. Blame your coach for his incompetence. Blame Panucci for his error. Blame Gattusso for not scoring. Blame bad luck, maybe.

But sorry, blaming the referee on what yesterday happened is to show a very low autocritic level. Frankly said, you scored one goal and got happy with it and never really wanted to score a second...and you payed for it. Italy has been living out of that attitude for ages...sooner or later something like this was going to happen.

In football ambition usually equals to victory. you showed none yesterday. THats why you were left out.

And this is RAM after the Spain robbery:

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Well,it happened.

WE played very well. In fact we won this match. A referee stole it.

THere was one possible penalty. Two clear goals who only the referee knows why didn't he give.There were doubtful offsides. Yellow cards for spain where to the korean ones was nothing at all. THere even was a corner in last second, wich the referee didn't call. Just in case we were to score a third goal, I guess.

Up to this moment when someone scored against korea, the referee let the goal go to the goal score. AT least noone said Vieri's goal was not. This time we were not even allowed this.

But, anyway and above everything there was a wonderful match smartly played by spain. There was sacrifice, there was will, there was a magnific game played by Spain. There was, also, bad luck...we lacked it where we had it against eire.

I said it: this match was to be won by us clearly. We had to dominate the koreans and let clear who was the best. We won it clearly. We let clear who was the best. We gave a good lesson of soccer and how to play a match. No matter someone stole it from us, this was (is) a victory for Spain.

Eh eh, RAM, how do you feel when it's YOUR turn??

And, Answering your objections:

Yeah,.... uh... uh.... yeah... sure...

RRAM · « **Reply #33 on:** June 24, 2002, 05:56:14 AM »

Yah, naso, I also said it would be an utter SHAME for Spain not to win clearly against Korea, and that if we were to be left out, then the players should feel FULL OF SHAME for being beat by a clear inferior team.

Now I say I feel proud of them, even while they didn't -officially- win. Why do I feel proud?...

a)-because they gave everything on the field

b)-because they WON the match (only one to say otherwise was the referee).

c)-because after being eliminated and clearly ROBBED, at least we showed a little of CLASS where others were crying and kicking players out of their teams (ahum

)

Bassic difference between italy and Spain...Italy did the law of the minimun effort in their match. They scored a goal and then went back to defend the result for the rest of the match.

In contrast, Spain gave everything, ran more than the koreans (heh, and that IS difficult!) and scored two valid goals. Up to the same last second Spain was attacking,attacking and attacking to the point that in the minute 14.40 of the extra time the referee whistled the end of the extra time (due to happen at minute 15), because Spain was about to kick a dangerous corner. Scandalous.

Come on, naso, the degree of robbery in our match was UNPARALELLED in hte history of the world cups. Italy suffered from very bad (IMO intentional) referee decisions, but you lost more because your own faults than because any referee.

Spain won that match. Spain deserved to win that match. Spain did everything to win that match. Spain ran to win that match. Spain scored TWO GOALS to win that match.

We lost EXCLUSIVELY and ONLY because the bad referee decisions. If you score a clear legitim goal but the FIFA doesn't want you to win, you can score eight, they wont give any of them.

So take your pick on me if you want ,naso. I said what I said and I do confirm it. Italy was left out of the WC because your own faults.

We were left out because the referee wanted. Nothing else.

RRAM · « **Reply #34 on:** June 24, 2002, 06:01:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Saintaw
I shouldnt....I shouldn't.... but..... MUUUUUUAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH A !:D

Saw....

Senegal 1- France 0

straffo · « **Reply #35 on:** June 24, 2002, 06:17:22 AM »

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Originally posted by RRAM

Saw....

Senegal 1- France 0

It would juts pass over his head : he is from belgium

Hristo · « **Reply #36 on:** June 24, 2002, 06:51:19 AM »

Saintaw · « **Reply #37 on:** June 24, 2002, 07:08:18 AM »

You have to excuse RAM, he's been missguided into thinking that Brussels is the capital of Paris

RRAM · « **Reply #38 on:** June 24, 2002, 07:31:43 AM »

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Originally posted by straffo

It would juts pass over his head : he is from belgium

I know he's from belgium...

I ALSO know he hates to be called...FRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEE NNCHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(anyway...isn't Belgium a suburb of Paris?

)

Saintaw · « **Reply #39 on:** June 24, 2002, 10:06:35 AM »

see?

gatt · « **Reply #40 on:** June 24, 2002, 11:30:24 AM »

Naso .... LOL

Naso · « **Reply #41 on:** June 25, 2002, 01:44:42 AM »

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Originally posted by RRAM

Blah blah blah excuses, blah bla machism blah blah, bigger than yours, blah blah blah, different, blah blah

Yeah... uh, uh.... yeah..... sure.....

P.S.
Now it's turn of Germany, I hope they will make undreds of goals, so the referee cannot void all of them

Kweassa · « **Reply #42 on:** June 25, 2002, 06:30:56 AM »

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I couldn't stay awake for this one, I tried but was falling asleep in the 15th minute, so I went to bed and was gone about the time I hit the pillow. So answer me this. Did the lineman's flag go up immediately? Or did he wave it AFTER the goal went in? If the flag went up immediately, then the linesman made a bad call and thought the ball went over the end line. If the linesman waited to put up the flag, then he's got it in for Spain. I don't know, I have only seen the pictures here.

-by Nifty

The two decisions clearly came BEFORE the so-called 'goal' was in, Nifty.

First one, the centering pass comes, side lines blow the whistle, Koreans stop playing, and a Spanish player pushes in unmarked.

Second one, there is some overcrowding in the middle of the penalty box, bunch of players jump and collide within, the ref. blows the whistle as the Spanish jump for the ball. After then the ball has 'goal'ed.

Those are your 'goals' padres.

As for Italy, Tottis red-card, as even RAM agrees, he was diving way before actual collision. Talk about 'dirty plays'... Call yellow cards and red cards toe-to-toe, and still Korea would have more players than Italy. The fouls by the Italians I've seen in that game were the most intelligent and violent ones I've seen up to date. None of you saw Vieri smashing the Korean defense's nose with his elbow? He went to the operating room right after the match, his nose caved in.

These whinings are getting tiresome.

If Italy and Spain were so good, how come they failed to goal in all those 'other' chances? It's not like Italy and Spain had only one~two chance 'assigned' to them or something. Maybe all your fat ol' European owners pushed their players right before the World Cup, so they fatigued and (to quote US Papers) "they aged like Dogs?" Maybe chumps like Berlusconi should be blamed?

Getting beat up by somebody whom you've always considered as a runt is a shocking blow. Maybe Italy and Spain better rest their brains a bit, before they learn how to lose.

RRAM · « **Reply #43 on:** June 25, 2002, 06:53:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa

Getting beat up by somebody whom you've always considered as a runt is a shocking blow. Maybe Italy and Spain better rest their brains a bit, before they learn how to lose.

1.- Spain didn't get beat up in that match. We just got robbed. Otherwise, it ended 0-0.

2.- All the world's specialized press agrees on that both GOALS (read:goals) were legitim and valid, and both were stolen from spain. All the world's specialized press also agree that Spain suffered the most scandalous refereeing ever in a World Cup. Open your eyes, dude...and SEE what happened last SAturday.

3.- Is highly difficult to play a good match when the other team does continuous faults and see no yellow card, while yourself do a couple and see two yellow cards (stadistic: korea is the team with the most faults in the world cup, but the less yellow-carded team in it. HA!).

4.- You can't do too much when you score 2 goals and they steal them from you. You can't do too much, either, when you're running to score 2 more and they call offside when is not.

5.- Spain played VASTLY better than Korea.

In the end....

6.- is impossible to WIN a match if the referee doesn't give you your legitim goals. If that happens, the most you'll be able to do will be to draw 0-0. We did draw 0-0 when it should've been 2-0, and easily 3-0 or even 4-0 (counting with the incredible offsides we had to deal with)

Spain suffered the worst refereeing ever in a World Cup. As simple as that.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #44 on:** June 25, 2002, 09:08:10 AM »

The weaker of the two teams lost. Suck up your ego and admit it, your team was inferior.