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Offline Boroda

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« on: June 26, 2002, 12:55:54 PM »
Here I post a report about an international virtual air battle that took place on June, 22nd in Murmansk. A group of Swedish "aviation enthusiasts", invited by local Murmansk administration (!!!) "challenged" Russian virtual pilots to reenact  the "Great day in history", June, 22, 1941. The purpose was to "reveal historical truth". Starting conditions: for each "zveno" (triplet) of Soviet I-16 type 24 - 3 He-111s, 3 Ju-87s and 6 Me-109s. They fought in M$ Combat Flight Simulator, with real weather settings.

Many people tried to persuade Murmansk pilots to boycott that comedy. But the guys were brave enough to take the challenge...

I post a report from one of the Soviet pilots, translated by Yedyge "exec" Kakimzhanov, 228 ShAD VVS RKKA. I only corrected some typing mistakes.


Ok, here goes the report.
Unfortunately we were restricted from installing any soft, so there are no screenshots.

...22 June, morning. 10-00, meeting in front of game club. The weather is bad, it's drizzling, it's windy. I came earlier and smoked two cigarettes getting cold, and waiting for our folks. Folks came in time. The last recon before the sortie. The weather is on our side (we will use real weather). So, our team is 7 men, aggreed to set out for cannon fodder. They are 45. So, all computers of the club are engaged, including administrative one. Primary objective: to cover the port. We don't know what will be Sweden team, and aircraft proportions...

10-30 the local TV appeared. Reporters are setting cameras, running around, asking us to step aside - our opponents must arrive now. No attention to us - it's somehow pity/offencive, cause we will fight for Russia, but they... However it brought a fury. Yesterday test showed that we will be in a difficult situation, very hard. Four of us are experienced pilots, but in F-22... We divided into gropus. Andrew and John were triplet leaders, and I was a flight leader (as a quickly orientating man), other kids were instructed to loose their leaders for no reason at all (or else there was no reason to fly at all)...
Ah, they interview some "mmbr" of Youth Affairs Commitee. "Damn, he must think before talking!.. We have no idea what historical value and major influence of German air industry on development of ours military technics and combat training of Red Army" I really wish I could kill him for such a speach, but must have the patience.

10-45. Here they go. Indeed, in german uniform, as promised. Damn, it's happening on  22 June, in Murmansk, the city that "Fritzes" visited only as prisoners of war. Our fists are clenching.
"Look, they are scoffing", Andrey says. "it's not evening yet", answers one of "youngs" (Oleg, imho). Here are folks jumping and hooting at german uniform. But Swedes are mistaken. They wear Edelweis (yeah, that one) instead of flight uniforms. Now an above-mentionned "mmbr", climbs to front steps (kinda improvised tribune) for a TV interview, and starts to broadcast roadkill as a greeting. Then it was announced that team greeting is coming. Club Director approaches and asks us to come in, because "they don't want to introduce such a tiny team". But our plans are different, and we renounce.
So, the SHOW, part I. Swedes are introduced, one by one (champions!), by names. Similarly, they one by one come in, followed  by "mmbr", 2 managers and the crowd (small but applauding).
"... and against these REAL aces will stand a grasp of our amateurs of CFS, the team is small... we shall see wether they can stand at some certain level... may be (sarcastic smile) they can even manage to shoot down a single plane." We are standing spitted in advance. John wants to scuffle, Andrew holds him and guys become angry. I am angry of insult. "not evening yet" I recall, and I feel better. There were no namely presentation, and we come in all together.
Our computers were in separated room, so we could not meet Swedes. Near Swedes' door stands a club security, and a girl to serve coffee. We were suggested to take coffee ourselves. Ok, we are not proud. We take half-liter of beer each, at our expence, or course, and take our seats at computers. 20 minutes for testing and getting used. Well, no comments. Technics is good, joys and pedals are working smootly, without jumps and bugs. Excellent, we are rebooting. Cause we don't know what residents are loaded. Looks all safe. CFS real weather is loaded, connection established, here we go. Murmashi airfield. Gathering at the point. Setting our I-16's into the row. Testing radio (chat). Nerves are stressed. Their observer enters, and our representative goes to them. Actually not ours, but the same "mmbr". Alrite, we trust that they will fight fairly.


Time goes slowly. The beer is vanishing, but there is no take off order yet. We know that enemy is now heading towards USSR State Border. We have right to take off only after they cross it.

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« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2002, 12:56:48 PM »
11-30. "Combat alert". Engines started. Commencing movement. Group "A" (leader Andrey) after me, group "D"(Dzhon"Group A, affirmative, heading...",
"Group D, acknowledged, heading...".
Everyting is normal yet. Weather is whispering. We are going "nap of the earth", and clouds are holding our stabs. Wind is weak.
"...Coming in, Andrew... We are arriving, turn the power down, waiting... Pass to John.."
"Igor, I have engine problems" - that's one of rookies - "damn overheated the engine",
"diddly, I warned you! $#%^&#@ return to the base immediately!".
Sigh, John stays with a real novice.
"John, be careful"
"Don't piss, Gonch, we will get out of it."
Climbing, folks are waiting... Opps... Here our "friends" go.
"John, azimuth 140, distance 10, bombers. No messers visual, but be careful", slipping into the cloud, and coming out a little bit farther.
"Andrew, we have guests, 180-190 from you. Distance ca. 15-14, bombers. Cover me, climbing. They must not see us." Flying like within (multi layer pie) - clouds, clear, then clouds again.
"Igor, I'm commencing!!!" - it's John and his rookie, "First pair ready, they are 20".
Ouch, that means there are 25 messers! Really "fair", damn, that's trifold or fourfold outnumbering.
"John, work calm, we'll cover you".
"Igor, he was spotted and they are approaching"
"Andrew, we have a fore, they don't see us."
"John, it is easy prey."
"John, you have guests, but you have to work regardless of it. Keep an eye on your rookie wingman."
"Yeah, I am under fire, never mind, just a pair of holes, controls are functional. Eat it, flying goat, that's the sixths..."
"John, be calm, we are coming in. In case of obvious danger hide into clouds and head towards Severomorsk."
"Roger, I think we can shoot down aniother pair before messers arrive"
"Gonch, we have them in gunsights...."
"Don't hurry, get closer, they don't see us."
We are prowling lower edge of clouds, each of us have a "crusader" in the gunsight.
"Gonch, there are only 20 of them, imho 5 missing"
"Visual, get ready, we are commencing" It's a pleasure to see four enemies going down from the formation!
Equalising sides. "Hey were are you running?!" catch him! I smoked one more, Andrew too.
"What the f***, where are you going?!" - Andrew shouted at rookie, but too late. Rookie broke the formation and showed his belly to the enemy fire. Minus two of us.
"Igor, cover us"
"John, get calm, the carousel started"
There no reason in describing what happened then...
John burned three more bombers, but was caught on vertical (i warned him, don't pull up, just turn). His wingman damaged a messer, but did not have enough altitude to pull up from dive.
Three of us remained in the carousel of stallfight.
One of Andrew's wingmen lodly detonaded two messers with a long burst, but  ran out of ammo (what a wooddonut!) and, being damaged, rammed third one.
Bombers turned back to the border, only three from 20 left.
Dogfight went on, and we managed to force their cover into the stallfight, but our fuel become low.
"Andrew, we going home, get into the clouds!"
"One moment, I'll shorten that one,.. nice smoke trail, I'm coming, Gonch. They are going away.  May be?.. Ah, pardon, roger."

Well, the fight is over.

Three of us are coming back, from seven that took off. Machines are damaged, but hell they fly! We have done our job. Only seven from 40 bandits survived (5 turned back with technical problems): three bombers, and four fighters, damaged as well.

"Murmashi, landing straightly, we have no fuel for circles." 50-40-10-tip of runway-the touch "HUURRAAAAYYYY!!!"
We are sitting a little dizzy, our eyes wide open.
The "observer" staring at the display is trying to say something. The rest of the beer disappears with a quiet hissing, the silent scene. Fly-in is finished. Legs are numb, right hand too. Standing up, coming out.
The main room of the club (kinda hall) is silent. "You... you... made it!!!" - approached "mmbr" - "This is...."
"diddly you"- we cut him short. And then we burst into furious laughter - Swedes go out with their eyes uncomprehending. They to complain about the Club, etc.
In half-of-an-hour this is arranged, and the result is announced [hey, are you sitting already?] "THE DRAW!!!"
Shocked with this, we are leaving in silence, pushing our way through the crowd. Away from this brothel. What country do we live in, when such things occur?

That's an infamous end of the day!


The link for those who can read Russian is http://web.referent.ru/nvk/forum/archive/309/309280

Hortlund, were you there? Or maybe some of your friends that share your views on history? I think they now have something to think about. Eleven to one.

That story was reported to State Duma (Russian parliament), and our legislators really want blood of a stupid who invented that crap with nazi uniforms on the streets of the Hero-City of Murmansk on June, 22nd. Local administration declared that it was not organised by them, but I hope they'll find who is responcible.

Gonch already said that he doesn't want any media coverage, because they are afraid of the "revenge" - his friends work in government offices and even Russo-Swedish joint-ventures. I hope everything will be OK with them...

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« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2002, 01:16:42 PM »
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Hortlund, were you there? Or maybe some of your friends that share your views on history? I think they now have something to think about. Eleven to one.

That story was reported to State Duma (Russian parliament), and our legislators really want blood of a stupid who invented that crap with nazi uniforms on the streets of the Hero-City of Murmansk on June, 22nd. Local administration declared that it was not organised by them, but I hope they'll find who is responcible.
 


Of cource I wasnt there. I'd rather shoot myself in the knee than ever set foot in Russia. And nope, I dont think I know anyone of the Swedes who were there either.

And I must admit that Im not really sure whether I understood the story either. If I understood it correctly, two groups of people played Microsofts combat flight simulator against eachother? One group were swedish and one group were russians? The Swedish "pilots" came wearing German ww2 uniforms. They wanted to reenact 22 june 1941? And apparently the russians "won"?

Is that it?

Great story, thanks. That was indeed an impressive moral victory for the russians.

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« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2002, 02:10:46 PM »
What is the big deal?

Sounds like a good competition between two groups of people, to me.  The uniforms were probably just for the show, anyway.  We have war-re-enactments here in the US, too, that use German uniforms (somebody has to be the bad guy!).

While you had everybody there, you should've gone "2 wins out of 3 matches" to declare the victory.  Seems like a long trip to a club just for one flight.  

You should try the Tour Of Duty flights here on Aces High - no driving, more flying!

Good story, though.  I enjoyed reading it.

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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2002, 02:58:02 PM »
Thanks for the post.

Very interesting way of settling a dispute :)

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« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2002, 04:54:10 PM »
Bogus.

Hysterical propoganda.

What possible intrest would a buncha squareheads have for dressing in kraut uniforms while flying a POS MS simulator product in the 'hero' city.

Soundslike a chapter from a b level novel, replete with unbelivable fight sequences.. somebodys pullin yer leg badly Boroda.
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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2002, 06:45:21 AM »
Hortlund, why are you so afraid to visit Russia? I promise, you will not be raped, even if your age is between 8 and 80. ;)

The reason why that story was taken so seriously is that someone from Russian Murmansk administration seriously arranged it as an event to "reveal the historical truth". All that show was arranged with maximum possible respect to that guys in nazi mountain-jaeger uniforms, with absolutely no attention to Soviet team. Someone already said that nazis should have been invited, but the only way to walk in the streets of Murmansk must be w/o belts and under convoy, with street-washing cars behind them.

We do have historical reenactment shows here since late-80s, but in no way the guys acting as "nazis" can appear in the streets. Especially on June, 22.

Here is an interesting link for you:
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/stories/2002/06/21/014.html

But some of our friends from Ukraine already said that if "nazi" pilots wearing uniforms appeared in Kiev on June 22nd - they will probably not be able to get to that club...

The whole show was set up so that LW side should win. They were declared winners even before they took off. 45 vs 7, 109s vs I-16 type 24... And AFAIK all bombers were He-111s, no Stukas. Soviet team showed great skills and will to win. And they were lucky to have "real" weather in CFS, so, in the heavy multilayer clouds they managed to force nazis into a stallfight. 109s could not use BnZ because of the clouds. I like to see "supposed-to-be-winners" lose to the side that wasn't taken seriously before the fight, like Korea vs. Italy and Spain on World Cup.

I know that it's hard to imagine how seriously do we still take such things about the War. Especially if your country was never occupied and didn't have any wars on it's land for at least 150 years... JFYI: Murmansk was completely burnt down by LW "knights", leaving thousands of civilians to freeze to death during Polar night...

And what I read in Hortlund's posts, together with this story, makes me think there is something terribly wrong in one Northern-European country...

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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2002, 07:04:35 AM »
LOL :D

Well, actually I was not actually afraid of being raped :)

Actually I did not know that the whole of Murmanks was burned down by the Luftwaffe. And I am sorry to hear about the death of those civilians.

You need not worry about the state of affairs in Sweden. You should probably worry more about Denmark and Norway if you are concerned with neo-nazis.

I have not much love for russia, that much is true Boroda, but there is an ocean of difference between not liking Russia, and being a neo-nazi. Sometimes I get the impression that you confuse the two. I can give you the reasons for it too if you want, but I seriously doubt you would believe me even if I told you why.