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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #30 on: December 23, 2001, 04:42:00 PM »
I appologize for my rant.

It has been removed and I recuse myself.
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Offline J_A_B

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« Reply #31 on: December 23, 2001, 07:46:00 PM »
The CT will never be popular until the CT team learns two things.

1.  Historical planesets are almost never balanced, so tying yourself to history is a lost cause.  Not many people will consistently fly in an arena when the other team has an obvious and massive advantage.  At best you will have a crowded arena where the side with the "worse" equpiment is always massively outnumbered.  More likely the arena will just sit empty and take up space.

2.  There is a REASON there is long range DAR and ICONS in the MA, and removing these in the CT will drive a lot of people away.  No DAR under 500 feet makes milkrunning easier but does nothing to encourage fighting.   The few who like the reduced settings are just that--the few.  

Like it or not, the "Hamster Wheel" concept like the MA is what sells.  If you want your arena to become popular you will have to make concessions.  In other words, if a hamster wheel is what's popular, you need to be trying to attract hamsters!

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« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2001, 07:56:00 PM »
Wow.. there has been some traffic in here.

I think anytime we put together a purely historical plane set it will be lopsided one way or the other.  Depending on the historical timeline, the advantage swapped back and forth.

I have always favored an arena that started with early war craft and then as time progressed in the camp, blend in newer models etc.  So for several days there might be a spit that has the upperhand or next a 109 etc.  So the D9s and 51s wouldn't show up til the third week of the camp, and the perked planes etc wouldn't show until last week.  

I agree with the observation that the allies have the better ground attack/bombing abilities in the CT.  They also have a significant speed advantage in the 51b and Typhoon.  

Why that wasn't particularly significant in WWII is by the time the Jug and the Typhoon were seriously into their ground attack role the Luftwaffe was on its heels and pretty beat up.

The Germans enjoyed an advantage in the air early in the war due more to tactics and experience than anything else.  When the Germans were doing coordinated ground attack the allies in France were running for their lives.  When the allies came back during D-Day the Luftwaffe was running for their lives.  About the only place that German close air support fought a determined and capable air to air threat was the Battle of Britain and in Russia.  We all saw how they got chewed up in Britain.  On the other hand the Allied close air support never faced a capable Luftwaffe either.  The war on the Eastern Front more closely duplicates what we have in CT or in the MA for that matter.

Sorry for the ramble...

To be a Luftwaffe flyer will/should mean defeat more often than not.  It happened in WWII for very valid reasons, and without significant terrain advantages (which worked for the Brits during the BOB and for the Germans there after) one side is usually at a disadvantage......... the Luftwaffe most frequently.

One dweebs opinion.. sorry for the ramble.
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« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2001, 08:26:00 PM »
I think the CT dar settings are EXCELLENT.

The concept of bounce, surprise attacks are present.

The amount of gangbanging is LOW believe it or not. You need to be within 3k of a con to ID it, dar wont show you if its enemy or not. So you many, many times have at least 5 to 10 minutes of a 1-1 fight. Its very enjoyable.

Imo, the 202 and 205 , or even the ki61 or zeke would give the LW its turnfighters (not so good, but hey, better than a 190!) and the mossie their ground attack/bomber. Sides would be albeit balanced then.

Make it a true axis vs allied arena.

[ 12-23-2001: Message edited by: Tac ]
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Offline Wotan

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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2001, 11:58:00 PM »
look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main.

The ct cms will never "fill" the arena no matter the planeset or the terrain.

However this doesn't mean that a "ct" or a "ha" or what ever is worthless.

Its up to the folks flying there to make it what ever it becomes.

We know evry one of yas have their own idea how to make the ct "popular" but your only kidding yourselves. Each of us that fly there make it what it is.

Regardless of radar settings, icon settings, or plane set match ups. Every idea you all come up with has been thought off.

The cms here know whats up. They have been around and know what the deal is.

Those of us that fly there are no better then the main folks and are no different in what we want no matter if we be spit pilots or fly 109s.

I am sick of hearing that the ct is just a "furball". Thats not true. folks just rather fight each other then grab territory.

I dont give a fek about field capture or "strat". I fly in the ct to dogfight.

So do you.

Step back from all your suggestions and whines to accept that no matter the arena its up to the guys flying in there to make it what it is.

Also nothing about desktop flight sims is "real". None of it.

I enjoy the ct and yeah I wish more folks were there but not in field capture of buffing. I just want a couple of good 1 v 1's and a change from the main.

Each of us get what we want out of it.

S!

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Offline Tac

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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2001, 12:24:00 AM »
The CT is actually an MA with short icons and a LW vs allied theme (which I wish was Axis vs Allied.. by putting in the 202/205/zeke/ki61) with the planeset being limited to a certain year.

Field capture does usually take a 2nd place from dogfighting. After all, you do have to first beat the field CAP and get it low before your bombers can plaster the place..failure to do that means the B-26's meet 30mm and tater packin' 190s from above and the ju88's meet... well, whatever can tiptoe into their 6 and sit there for a second or two.
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2001, 12:45:00 AM »
"look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main."

Indeed, it won't be.  Only because they're not trying to make it such.  

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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2001, 01:00:00 AM »
The Italian planes will likely be used in an Italian theater.


JAB, what do you mean by that?

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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2001, 02:06:00 AM »
S!

Finally went to CT with Kronos and we had some great time! All the time scanning views, dots every where; friend or foe? Huge chaos all the time. We flew with our P-47D-11's towards an enemy field when we noticed 2 unfriendly looking 109's in our low 6 at D 1.5 or so, eeekkkk! Was fun fight althought tac shot me down. I shoud have just ran (D-11 is 20mph faster than 109F-4 at the deck). Well, I'll remember that in next time!
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Offline Buzzbait

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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2001, 02:17:00 AM »
S!

Actually the 109's are actually better fighting as turnfighters versus most of the Allied aircraft.

The P-47D11, P-51b, Mossie and Typhoon all turn worse than any of the 109's, including the G6. (unless it's got the twin gunpods)

And the 109F4 can give the Spit IX a run for its money.

Plus the 109's outclimb them all!

The 190A5 will low speed outturn the P-47 below 10,000 ft and will give a 51b a run for its money, very close match there.

I have been flying Allied and doing poorly. (I think my timing is off because of an ear infection) When I switched to the German side, I immediately started scoring better, despite the fact the Germans were outnumbered.

The Germans do have a lack of bombing capability, but there is not much we can do about that. The 190F is a capable plane. More durable in the ground attack role than the P-51b certainly. For everyone who is screaming for the 110, all I can say is wait a little while...
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2001, 03:36:00 AM »
Give me till March 31st. I bet i can match or closely match the CT with the MA numbers.
The ONLY thing stopping it right now is the planeset Just isn't there YET!

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Originally posted by Wotan:
look most of those folks involved in the ct know that it will never be an alternate to the main.

The ct cms will never "fill" the arena no matter the planeset or the terrain.

However this doesn't mean that a "ct" or a "ha" or what ever is worthless.

Its up to the folks flying there to make it what ever it becomes.

We know evry one of yas have their own idea how to make the ct "popular" but your only kidding yourselves. Each of us that fly there make it what it is.

Regardless of radar settings, icon settings, or plane set match ups. Every idea you all come up with has been thought off.

The cms here know whats up. They have been around and know what the deal is.

Those of us that fly there are no better then the main folks and are no different in what we want no matter if we be spit pilots or fly 109s.

I am sick of hearing that the ct is just a "furball". Thats not true. folks just rather fight each other then grab territory.

I dont give a fek about field capture or "strat". I fly in the ct to dogfight.

So do you.

Step back from all your suggestions and whines to accept that no matter the arena its up to the guys flying in there to make it what it is.

Also nothing about desktop flight sims is "real". None of it.

I enjoy the ct and yeah I wish more folks were there but not in field capture of buffing. I just want a couple of good 1 v 1's and a change from the main.

Each of us get what we want out of it.

S!

wotan
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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2001, 09:20:00 AM »
I had the chance to go online only once in the past few day and I went straight to the CT. Had a blast. Flew an assortment of planes for abou t two hours; Mossie, Tiffie and P47.  Never encountered anything but good fights accompanied by reasonable and mature attitudes on both sides.
 
 I'll be heading there again soon as I can.

 Westy
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« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2001, 12:55:00 PM »
just a quick comment...  .squelch works wonders when one person is mouthing off in the arena.   :)  I squelched him myself, took all of 2 seconds to make the arena a better place on my end.   :D
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« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2001, 01:29:00 PM »
Just been in Combat arena,and I reckon Ill be in there from now on,main arena sucks.
Look forward to bumpin into ya all  :)
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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2001, 02:49:00 AM »
Wow this thread growed!

Well CT is great fun! provided there are atleast 10 vs 10 flying in the CT.

At one time it was 20 vs 20 and that ruled  :)

Regards.
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