Stupid Stupid Stupid Pilots!

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Gunthr
The units of measurement (in Florida, USA anyway)are:

blood-alcohol level = grams of alcohol per 100 milliliters blood

breath-alcohol = grams of alcohol per 210 liters of breath

For example, .08 grams of alcohol in 100 milliliters of blood is the legal threshold in Florida at which a person is presumed to be under the influence of alcohol  

That is weird, it seems like the US and europe uses completely different standards of measure when it comes to measure alcohol in the blood. Grams per 210 litres? We have miligram per liter.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Hortlund
I need a beer (I'm stuck at work right now).

What part of Swedish history are you reading about? Most people tend to focus on the Vikings, Charles XII or the 30-yrs war. Perhaps I can recommend something, I have real alot about our history.

I don't want to become a specialist in swedish history
This collection a good for newbie
I've this one :



@Gunthr in france our threshold is 0.50 gramme per liter blood.
But it' more an educationnal problem for exemple I've heard that for the Russian it"s 0 (Zero) but it likely don't work.

pict was big ...

[Gunthr]

Well, remember that the grams/210 liters is for the breath measurment. Also, this is the measurement used in Florida. I'm not sure about the other states, offhand.

I'm not sure why the "210 liters" number would be used for breath...  maybe some peculiarity related to the breath device?

Remember, this is Florida we are talking about ... Using "per liter" might make too much sense

[Gunthr]

Straffo, France seems to be a little more lenient than other countries. We in the states are told that French people drink wine quite often, with each meal, etc, even children. Don't know if that is true...

In some countries, or so I have heard, your  first offense is your last. You are never allowed to drive again, you may go to prison. If you hurt someone, you are executed. (Don't vacation there, Straffo )

[Hortlund]

Heh, actually the more I think about it, the more weird does the "210"-figure seem.

Why 210 litres?

That is just the kind of question that could make me to lose my sleep tonight

[straffo]

@gunthr
I do take wine each time I can ,on average one glass per meal, sometime Zero sometime a bit more (ie last night I was an easy kill ) but there's one thing I never do after having even just one drink : I don't drive !

It's cultural/educational I've friends who would drive drunk ...
I don't take any risk I've one life and I don't want to lost it (it's a one life event you know )

And I won't go in vacation a country without wine  it would cause me to many psychological damages

@hortlund just do a simple research on physioogie and lung I'm not fluent enought in english to explain how the lung work

But basicly your VIC (duno how to translate) is 1.5 liter on average and as the chemical product used to detect alcohol need some time to react you have to breath several time to make the product react fully.
IMO it's just because the norm was done before we got more efficient product reacting quickly to alcohol presence.

In fact it's allways a ratio so  if your under your ok else ... go to jail  (like in monopoly )

[Gunthr]

I'm checking Hortland...   (I want you to be well rested, for your client's sake )

[eskimo2]

Those two guys on "The Man Show" done airline pilot uniforms, went to an airport and pretended to be drunk (on hidden camera).  One of the funniest skits I've ever seen.  

eskimo

[Wingnut_0]

It is recorded in milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood, or milligrams percent. For example, a BAL of .10 means that 1/10 of 1 percent (or 1/1000) of your total blood content is alcohol.

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Wingnut_0
It is recorded in milligrams of alcohol per 100 milliliters of blood, or milligrams percent. For example, a BAL of .10 means that 1/10 of 1 percent (or 1/1000) of your total blood content is alcohol.

This is exactly what we call one promille, one part of thousand.  And 1 promille in the blood equals 0,5 milligrams per litre in the exhausted air (sorry for the abysmal translation by me).

[Sandman]

What an absolutely amazing hijack. LOL...

[straffo]

But you learned something I hope

and at least the thread as gone back on track

[Gunthr]

Your answer Hortand:Because the alcohol concentration in the breath is related to that in the blood, you can figure the BAC by measuring alcohol on the breath. The ratio of breath alcohol to blood alcohol is 2,100:1. This means that 2,100 milliliters (ml) of alveolar air will contain the same amount of alcohol as 1 ml of blood.



Breathalyzer Machine


Sorry Sandman

Eskimo - I'm laughing just thinkin about it ... lot of potential for laughs there..

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by Gunthr
Your answer Hortand:Because the alcohol concentration in the breath is related to that in the blood, you can figure the BAC by measuring alcohol on the breath. The ratio of breath alcohol to blood alcohol is 2,100:1. This means that 2,100 milliliters (ml) of alveolar air will contain the same amount of alcohol as 1 ml of blood.

Ahh...thanks. Saved me a good nights sleep now

So that means the approximations we do in court are somewhat wrong, the relation is not 2-1 its 2.1-1 air-blood.

But have no fear (In case you were doubting the Swedish legal system), the only reasons we do those approximations is because sometimes the prosecuters use alcohol in the blood, and sometimes alcohole in the exhaust air. 2-1 is a good rule of thumb only.

[LePaul]

My thought was....how would you like to have been the people on that flight, sitting there at the gate watching cops yank the flight crew off and lead them away in cuffs?

I can't imagine what these guys were thinking, flying under the influence.  I hope they are grounded for life.