New Bomber stuff SUCKS!!!!

[Electroman]

HiTech,

I love the new arena terrain -it's fantastic and should not allow quick and easy resets, that's for sure. The canyons add some real nice eye-candy, that's for sure.

But....for GOD SAKES MAN - get rid of the crap with the Bomber Sighting! It SUCKS!!! Most of us who have been avid bombers for a long time on here with the Lanc and the B-17 have enjoyed it immensely and you guys just screwed it up royally! I spend the bulk of my time bombing in these 2 planes specifically and now I don't even want to use them at all! I spend a lot of money each month on you guys and you have taken away the primary thing that I do in this game. I've tried for hours last night in the 17 to get the damned thing working right and although I can get close, I can't bomb a damned thing with this crap - ground speed variance, altitude, drop altitude, base altitude, etc.

Please....get rid of all the technical crap you've just put on the bombers, or at least simplify it so that the targeting is accurate. If not, I'm looking for alternative options to AH because the bulk of this game that i play I can no longer do. It's not worth it anymore to pay that amount for a 1/4 of a game.

Thanks,

Elec1

[straffo]

look at this thread  :New Bombing Method Totally Explained

[Electroman]

It was a very good explanation - however as I indicated previously....I like the bombers the way they were. I like the "pinpoint accuracy" that we were able to do. I really don't care at all much for the "ultimate realism" of the bomber. I like a smaller amount of realism with more fun in gameplay.

At this rate, I may as well go back to Fighter Ace or WWII Online...

[straffo]

you can do that either by dive bombing or Jaboing

If you want a "pinpoint accuracy" you'd better to play F4

[Pongo]

you can still be just as accurate. you just need some disciplin.
This may be the best thing they have ever done in the game

Get to the alt you want to bomb at.
note the throttle setting..(calibrate at 3/4 throttle and you will have more time over the field)
open your doors. let the plane slow down.
You will have to bomb at this altitude and this speed to be effecitve.
Go to the bomb sight
Go to calibrate mode.
Pick a spot on the ground.. ( I watch for a nice mark target as I fly) As far as I know the alt of the calbrate target is irellivent. Only how closely you match your speed and alt at drop to your speed and alt at calibration
Use the joystick to put the cross hairs on it.
Let the cross hairs settle in for a sec till your steady.
Hold down the mark key for as long as you can.
(5 seconds is easy)
When you release the mark key it will tell you to click on the target on the map to put the target alt in..

.. leave calibrate mode by hiting calibrate key again.

now
If you had a very steady mark..
and if you fly at the speed you where at and the alt you where at during the calibration, and if you are reasobnably steady during your drop, you can still hit very accuratly...

you can definatly take out acks at 10k with 100 pound bombs..I got three in my first pass with 3 bombs...and there are 3 of you dropping...

You can certainly do several passes at a base just like you used too. but you have to do the long bomb runs that are described..cause you have to get back to our alt and speed almost perfectly..

Totaly different bombing game...


this system is a blast...
Thanks HTC.

[eskimo2]

1 day and folks are whining about something that should be tough, and now is, and they haven't mastered it yet...

Give it a few weeks.  Try to learn it, then give feedback.

eskimo

[Fatty]

I don't know, I used to hate bombers, but with the new carpet bomber style I've been having fun with em.  Probably did more bomber sorties yesterday than I had in the previous year.

[Karnak]

I like the new system.  It feels much more like I'm actually doing something.  Bombing is now a significant skill rather than a minor reflex test to see how accurately you can time a button press.

[Kweassa]

Well.. you are entitled to your opinion Electro, and I respect that. If you don't like this new model there is nothing wrong with that.
 
 I admit this is something which has take into account a lot more than before, and it might be frustrating for the people who would want simple fun at bombing stuff.

 But to an extent, the joy of simulation games lie in 'recreating' what it was like within boundaries of game play. The reason people continuously demand 'realistic FM'..'realistic damage model'... 'realistic gunnery' and etc is not because they are masochists(well.. maybe I am ) but the sheer fun that comes with practicing a diffcult skill and mastering it, using it to achieve your goals. Simulation games differ in this aspect from arcade games(arcade games need skills too, but the skills in arcade games don't necessarily aquaint themselves with 'reality' - whereas simulations take their very identity from 'recreated reality').

 So in that perspective, this new change is, like Pongo says, is the best thing that ever happened to bombers IMHO. The more skill it is required, the higher the frustration.. but also higher the reward that comes with accomplishing one's task.
 
 

[10Bears]

Thx for using the Germany map Kweassa I bet alot of guys download it now just for the airstarts. That makes me proud as peaches

BTW the version you used for your tut is the old one. The new version has several airstarts for western bases.

[Wotan]

10 bears i spent more time in your germany map practicing buffing then i did online Great to have those air starts.

If anyone has been around this board long enough knoes how I felt about the previous buff model. You may have heard me use terms like "No skill fluffers" ruining the fun of the majority of the arena. I was right on then.

Now I give big S! to those dedicated bomber pilots who will take time to learn their job. Its become a "skill". I cant believe any bomber pilot would want it back the way it was.

But never everyone likes the same things. I hate anyone to leave but if you arent willing to put the effort in to learn the game. And if you disatisfied with the complexity involved then nothing any one can say to keeop ya here. Good luck.

[Soda]

I think the bombing change is great, it puts some skill into something that used to not take any.  All that aside, it will only be a short time of adapting before most people can get the hang of bombing pretty much as well as they did before.  I think it will only be a temporary handicap.

The addition of the 3 bomber formation and resultant defensive firepower is just as significant.  From what I saw the B17 formation now has even more awesome defensive firepower to work with... not a nice thing for people who attack bombers.

An impressive piece of work, HTC!

-Soda
The Assassins.

[MugZ]

Pongo.  The Score Data shows no damadge for you.  How many Bomber missions have you flown in the New Version using the New Bombsite sys.?

this system is a blast...
Thanks HTC. [/B][/QUOTE]

[MugZ]

Originally posted by Oedipus

This isn't "ultra-realism" at all.  It is simply an improvement upon the old method which was "no realism."   The old way was as simpistic and skilless as anything could be. Even manning an anti-aircraft gun took more skill to get kills in AH.  Alternatives?  'Crimson Skies' or "B-17 Gunner: Air War Over Germany"  I imagine.  You can even use a mouse instead of a joystick! Just "Point, Click, and Kill"  As easy as that!  Which is as easy as it used to be here.

Thank you HTC for the new improvements. BFWTG!

Thanks,
Oed

 The HTC Score data shows that you havent even step your foot in a Buff. Since the version 1.10 online.    
Tell us again how to do it?

[MugZ]

Nice