Why they dont stay...

[Vila]

Great, cabby brings his own brand of idiocy here now :\.

Well, I got news for ya.  I played WB for FREE and I'd rather be here, a paying customer.

IMO the game is better, PERIOD.  And Most of my squadron seems to agree.

<shrug>

Vila

[Brazos]

All of our WB squad agree Vila,

There's no doubt AH is next generation. It's just a couple'a months away from satalite data terrain maps based on real world battles. Player driven carriers will put it over the top imo. Every month brings a new plane, it's gonna be scenario heaven.

Sadly, BT's right. AW players say drop it to $10 a month. and I'm in like a shot. WB players say that $10 +$2.00hr is cheaper for casual players. Wouldn't suppose to understand HT's business, but dropping the price would obviously bring in many new customers. That doesn't mean I don't think AH is worth $30. Beats $300 bills in  dos AW!

I think what HTC's crew has done in their 1st year is remarkable. While others have twiddled thumbs at $2hr, you guys built a sim from the ground up. 3D cockpits alone should win ya sim of the year. Imagine having a neck!   Your cloudscapes are stunning, as is the high res artwork.

Maybe more folks at cheaper fees won't add up. But it was so overwhelming on our board. Only one pilot didn't like the flight model, but many posted about the price. I'm sure ya know best, just wanted to pass along the info. Sic 'em HTC!  

Cya up...Braz

[LJK Raubvogel]

I just came from one of those "other" sims where I was only paying 9.95 a month. I will gladly pay the extra money for a superior product. The only people the extra $ might discourage are those looking for "Air Quake", because this isn't it, and they can find that cheaper elsewhere. Just my 2 cents.

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[Naso]

For me and my exchange rate 30 $ are a lot, but..

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• If this keep away the Airquakersprettythangholes, i pay, no doubt.
• The sim is already beautiful.
• Continued improvements
• More planes coming (or i hope so   ).
  
• Different terrains in SEA? very fun scenarios   .
  
• Army, Navy, we can have the real (almost) complete war simulation (like WWIIonline).
• The staff playing the game (but HT with improved FM, cheater!!   )
  
• The staff discussing with us the improvements and reacting to the critics in a constructive manner.
• A GREAT community, with (almost  ) mature and nice pilots (<S> )
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  Oh God, what else you want for 30 bucks ?!?!
  
  (maybe free beer?   )
  
  (Not bad idea !!   )
  
  
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[Cabby]

Quote:

"Great, cabby brings his own brand of idiocy here now :\."

Whose brand of idiocy should i bring??  Your's??

"IMO the game is better, PERIOD. And Most of my squadron seems to agree."

And most of my squadron disagrees.  Perhaps a new release or two and HTC will change our minds.  The disappearing icon thing sounds very interesting.

Cabby



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[Gh0stFT]

 

Originally posted by LJK Raubvogel:
The only people the extra $ might discourage are those looking for "Air Quake", because this isn't it, and they can find that cheaper elsewhere.

You are absolutely wrong LJK.
I simply can't invest $30 each month
for a game because privat isues.
So i'm stuck in the H2H Arena.
And trust me i'm not searching "Air Quake".

Gh0stFT

ps. i'm working on it, it could be possible soon to become a paying customer  


[This message has been edited by Gh0stFT (edited 09-05-2000).]

[-lynx-]

what vila said

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[Ripsnort]

I think everyone has his own agenda for what likes and dislikes are, and certainly one persons opinion can sway an entire squadron (See Cabby's squadron).

Mine was not financially motivated.  I came to AH, tried it in Beta at V.34, came back in  around V.44 or so, and witnessed so many  improvements.  It was still not even close to being up to WB's par, but I could forsee the future with these folks accepting feedback, implementing it, and making changes almost daily.  WB's at the time of my decision, had more to offer, but, boredom of the same ol' same ol' after 6 years of the same software was the primary factor of coming over to AH.  I did miss the historical arenas and the scenario lites in WB's, but knew it was just a matter of time before AH would have it (We  had our first scenario in Febuary I believe, LW won, since it was 70% JG2 !)

Now, boredom is a funny thing,especially in my case.  I've had 4 different jobs within the company I work for in the last 15 years, when I become proficient at something, I move on. It's prevented me from being 'surplused' within the company.  I'm always open for something new and  challenging.

Sometimes you can set something down for awhile, and then re-find the excitement again.  After excercising that option for many months, you rely on 'updates' to make new  challenges for yourself.  AH has had  that.  WB's has not.
This isn't bashing WB's, its a fine sim, I still play HTH, but it  is the honest truth..its reached it maximum capacity for its 'outdated' shelf life.  WB3 is in the shadows, we'll see when it reveals itself.  Meanwhile, new versions of AH are very exciting, the community is as tight as WB's was, and the sim gives me energy just thinking about logging in, as WB's did many moons ago.

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[Vila]

 

Whose brand of idiocy should i bring?? Your's??

Of course!  My brand of idiocy is clearly superior.  

 

And most of my squadron disagrees. Perhaps a new release or two and HTC will change our minds. The disappearing icon thing sounds very interesting.

And thus you make my point for me.  A blanket statement like "WB is more fun" is utter bullcrap, because you don't know what is fun to other people. WB is more fun for YOU, but clearly not for a lot of people HERE.  I'm sure some guys think nothing is more fun than Quake, but I don't agree with them.  If WB is more for you and your sqaudron, by all means STAY THERE, but don't assume that everyone is here becasue of price.  As I said, I played WB for free, and I'd rather pay $30/month for AH.

Vila

[narsus]

If you were playing it for free you werent playing the whole game

 



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[Revvin]

Unfortunatley speaking rationally to Cabby is like trying to ski uphill. He's the kind of player who sufferes from game worship and refuses to see anything wrong with the game he plays and belittle's anyone who plays anything else, kinda like the quake vs unreal idiots who constantly run each others game down.

I fly Aces High right now because I made a consumer decision because Warbirds did'nt cut it for me personally which prompted me to try AH then quit WB, thats not to say I'd never go back because I've hovered a few times over the subsciption button for WB just to pop in for say a month to say hi to some old friends I left behind and to maybe try the WW2Arena and see if its as good as some say. Both sims have their warts and for me personally right now WB just a few more than AH right now, thats not to say thats not going to change which is when I'll decide which sim is worth my money, and thats not in the sense of who offers the flat rate but what sim is WORTH the money in features, I was quite used to large WB bills at the height of my addiction  

[Westy]

"I know a dozen friends JUST in my neighborhood that LOVE AH.. and we play all the time in H2H. Would they have an account if it was $10 a month? You bet!. And why are they not in AH? $30 a month."

 Don't take this personal TAC but in regard to the above, just because folks who are used to the drive thru window at Burger King or the local What-A-Burger fast joints goes out and gets a chance to enjoy a better meal at, say, a "99" restaraunt, should they then expect the "99" restaraunt to open up a fast food take out window and offer $2.99 "Happy Dweeb" meal versus the Chicken parmigiana dinner or specialty burger?

  -Westy

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[kidcol]

What the heck, 1 more opinion couldn't hurt, right?

Still a relative newbie in AH (wondering how long that excuse will hold out) & the asbestos suit itches, so please try to hold any flaming to a minimum  

I came to AH from WB for a few reasons:

1. price. big-time. I just don't think it's a real argument that $30 flat rate is too expensive compared to what "the only other decent sim" charges. Tried to monitor my time in WB as closely as possible (even to the extent of spending a lot of time in ACA. Sorta like buying "ditch weed" when you need a buzz), but I still got socked over & over again with big bills from ien. Sure, I'm a sim addict, I'll admit it. So I guess I'm spoiled by being able to log on to AH & just leave it on if I feel like it & the cost won't go up. I doubt $30 a month is gonna start to feel like "too much", even after I've gotten rid of the memories of the 3 digit WB bills(& before that, AOL's FO <shudder>, don't know if anybody else here ever flew there. $2 hr, no free time credited for fee, all tacked right on your AOL bill. All this for basically what is now WB's ACA).

2. Challenge in flying. I've flown many box sims (ech, is there actually a challenging WW2 box sim?), & WB's. Not saying there aren't extremely good pilots in WB, but I have found, very much my own opinion, that the average AH pilot is a superior fighter. Perhaps something to do with flat rate makes AH pilots more patient, I know it makes me a LOT more comfortable with spending the time to climb to a position where I can fight.

3. Response from the company. How many times have I seen HT in MA? Countless. Answering questions, fighting right along side us. I signed in on a weekend recently when there was a server prob. at HTC & saw him explaining what had happenned to customers & then making sure it was fixed! (AWESOME HT   )
In the short time I've been here, I've seen a new release & a terrain editor & prob. soon will see another new release with (heavily debated as usual) changes to the FM, probably new AC & (fingers crossed) some open water & flat-tops  

Just think these are things that are absolutely worth what we pay.

- kidcol2 -
-=NightStalkers=-

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[Cabby]

Vila:

"A blanket statement like "WB is more fun" is utter bullcrap, because you don't know what is fun to other people."

Just what my 35 Squadron members, the many folks i talked to at the WB's Con, and those i talk to online.  Other than that, you are right, i don't know what is fun to other people.  If you can fly WB's for free, and choose to pay for AH, that amazes me.  It truly does.  And no, "everyone" doesnt play AH due to the price.  But i stand by the statement that most do.

Revvin:  You are the LAST person to talk about "rationality."

Cabby



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[crabofix]

Low amount of costumers=high price?
High amount of costumers=low price?

income for HTC during 30 dollars
100 costumers=3000 dollars
300 costumers=9000 dollars

Income for HTC during 10 dollars
100 costumers=1000 dollars
300 costumers=3000 dollars

And do we want to have thoose HO-ING DWEEBS THAT ARE NOT DEDICATED ENOUGH TO PAY 30 BUCKS?

Dont be stupid guys, lower price means just to much "shit", for all, HTC as us (that love to fly in Hitech´s world.)
I see the high (read low) price to be a equlizer, that sorts the fans out from the crowd.

HELL, raise the prize to 50$ for a while HTC, then people could complain with grounds.

My very last WB bill was 67$,in april 1999 go figure.)


El crabo

( yes I know, but this is my opinion, so I dont give a rats prettythang what you all are talking about)