Author Topic: Tremble you liberal heathens... (Read 1835 times)

Hortlund · « **Reply #75 on:** July 17, 2002, 01:35:26 AM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
wimp

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midnight Target · « **Reply #76 on:** July 17, 2002, 09:06:42 AM »

midnight Target · « **Reply #77 on:** July 17, 2002, 09:58:20 AM »

I will accept your silence as an astute surrender to a superior arguement.

Hortlund · « **Reply #78 on:** July 17, 2002, 02:33:00 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
I will accept your silence as an astute surrender to a superior arguement.

~~Thanks m8, you actually brought a smile to my face there.~~

Hortlund · « **Reply #79 on:** July 17, 2002, 02:46:10 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target

I see you have ignored the logic so I'll try a different approach.

Her line of argument goes something like this:
A liberal media outlet says a bad thing about flag waving....
Therefore liberals hate flag waving.

Kind of like:
A noted conservative has stated that he feels Blacks are inferior...
Therefore conservatives are racists.

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Actually I think she has more examples than that. Let me take a wild guess here, and say that you havent read that book ...have you? Or her columns? She started writing syndicated columns during the presidential elections, and if you want I can give you a link to a page where you can find them all.

Also, note the difference in your choice of words. "A liberal media outlet" and "a noted conservative". Exactly what do you mean when you say "liberal media outlet"? Are you talking about a form of media (such as television) a specific newssource (such as Washington post) or a single writer (such as a columnist)?

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A Berlin newspaper reported in the autumn that German Nazis look to Sweden for guidance. Swedish Nazis have established a leading role in White Power music, releasing 342 CDs last year.

Therefore music in Sweden is White Power music.

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That conclusion is not supported by the underlying argumentation. I hope you see that. It would have been correct if you wrote "therefore some music in Sweden is white power music", the way you wrote it now, one gets the impression that ALL music in Sweden is white power music...which is wrong.

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All of the above are true yet in terms of their value, meaningless. Just like the rant you posted at the beginning of this thread.

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Actually no. Your examples are either too vauge or based on factual errors (or in other words they are outright wrong).

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Stating a fact of history ("History teaches that when religion is injected into politics-the Crusades, Henry VIII, Salem, Father Coughlin, Hitler, Kosovo-disaster follows.")

therefore the NY Times is anti religion. ---- no wait, this one would just be a lie.

Exactly what religion did Hitler inject into politics?

Knowledge is a wonderful thing midnight...you should try it sometime.

Eagler · « **Reply #80 on:** July 17, 2002, 02:52:40 PM »

Hortlund

your wasting your time and breath

showing some of these libs the truth is like teaching a monkey how to fly a jet

I think you'd have more luck with the monkey

Sandman · « **Reply #81 on:** July 17, 2002, 02:58:00 PM »

Truth is relative, Mr. Eagler.

Shuckins · « **Reply #82 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:09:25 PM »

Gentlemen,

Can we leave out of our argument statements such as "truth is relative?"

That's strictly a matter of opinion!

Regards, Shuckins

midnight Target · « **Reply #83 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:15:03 PM »

Incredible!

Hortlund! Dude! You have used my very example to show that my example is wrong. Thereby agreeing with me. Cool.

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That conclusion is not supported by the underlying argumentation. I hope you see that. It would have been correct if you wrote "therefore some music in Sweden is white power music", the way you wrote it now, one gets the impression that ALL music in Sweden is white power music...which is wrong.

EXACTLY !!!

And ALL LIBERALS DON'T HATE AMERICA!!! Even though your girlfriend made it sound like they do. If my statement is wrong, so is hers. This was exactly what I was pointing out. As an attorney, isn't it bad to step on your own dick while arguing?

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Actually I think she has more examples than that. Let me take a wild guess here, and say that you havent read that book ...have you? Or her columns? She started writing syndicated columns during the presidential elections, and if you want I can give you a link to a page where you can find them all.

Also, note the difference in your choice of words. "A liberal media outlet" and "a noted conservative". Exactly what do you mean when you say "liberal media outlet"? Are you talking about a form of media (such as television) a specific newssource (such as Washington post) or a single writer (such as a columnist)?

I could have said a Conservative Newspaper, or a Conservative Leader, or a Liberal Leader, or a Liberal TV Show. It wouldn't make a difference. The vague wording was by Ann Coulter, I just duplicated it with a few minor changes to prove my point. I will post it again:

"Liberals Hate America" - An indefensible lie and you are well aware of that if your schooling has been at all valid.

I haven't read her book, I am commenting on the article you posted. Why should I assume that she has backed her argument in other areas?

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Exactly what religion did Hitler inject into politics?

Your joking of course. "Injecting religion" doesn't necessarily mean supporting it. You can inject a religion into your politics as the enemy also. I hope this doesn't require any further elaboration.

On a more philosophical level he also used many symbols, rallys, oaths etc. to create a "religion" out of National Socialism, but that is not the intended definition and is a subject for a whole other thread.

Hortlund · « **Reply #84 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:27:48 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
On a more philosophical level he also used many symbols, rallys, oaths etc. to create a "religion" out of National Socialism, but that is not the intended definition and is a subject for a whole other thread.

Oh yes please, so dumb bastards like that AKSWulfe-dude can get a new opportunity to call me a nazi again.

Hortlund · « **Reply #85 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:37:17 PM »

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Hortlund! Dude! You have used my very example to show that my example is wrong. Thereby agreeing with me. Cool.

Uh..I have read this sentence 10 times now and I still dont understand it. If you go back and reread the posts, you will realize that this part:

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If my statement is wrong, so is hers.

doesnt quite work, since what you posted was based on factual errors, while hers is based on verified facts. If Im saying that you are wrong because you are using lies to prove a non-existant point, it is not the same thing as saying that she (who is using verified facts to prove a point) is.

But thanks for trying.

midnight Target · « **Reply #86 on:** July 17, 2002, 05:55:54 PM »

factual errors? where?

A Berlin newspaper reported in the autumn that German Nazis look to Sweden for guidance. Swedish Nazis have established a leading role in White Power music, releasing 342 CDs last year.

is a fact.

Music in Sweden is White Power music.

is a fact.

just like

A noted conservative has stated that he feels blacks are inferior.

is a fact (Look up Jesse Helms)

Conservatives are racists

is a fact.

Are ya catching on pumpkin?

"Liberals hate America" - Based on verified facts huh? BS. Where in her entire article did she prove that a Liberal hates America? Just one Liberal! Can you find it?

A "P" did "Q"

"P"s do "Q"

factual as hell aint it?

Eagler · « **Reply #87 on:** July 17, 2002, 06:15:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Truth is relative, Mr. Eagler.

only to a lib

Leslie · « **Reply #88 on:** July 18, 2002, 01:36:20 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM
Truth is relative, Mr. Eagler.

Are you saying Eagler is a relative of your's Sandman?

Seriously Sandman, would you please explain your thinking. I've never heard that before, and am curious why you would say that?
If truth is relative, then it seems there is nothing other than opinion to form a basis of what may be perceived as truth.

One example of truth, by my way of thinking, is mathematics, specifically calculus, which I believe was introduced as an advanced form of algebra in Spain by the Moors. Many mathematical systems at the time were Roman based, and did not included the concept of the zero, (no, not the A6m, hehe.)

Here's a thought, for what it's worth. Zero represents infinity, a single point that can never be reached, but is there nevertheless. We all accept that as a mathematical truth. We can't see it or touch it, but it's there.

Mathematics is the only exact science we on Earth know of. I'm somewhat puzzled that people accept a science based on the idea of infinity, yet struggle with the concept of God, which is also infinity...alpha and omega, the beginning and the end.

I disagree with some of you that God was invented by primitive peoples. Quite the contrary. Faith aside, I will argue that the evidence of the existence of God is established by the exact science of mathematics alone, without even going into religious doctrine. In fact, it seems downright unscientific to outright dismiss the idea of God, with so much evidence pointing in that direction.

Thank you for bearing with me on this. I know it has nothing to do with the thread...just something I had to say.

~~Les~~

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #89 on:** July 18, 2002, 01:42:51 AM »

"Truth is relative."

Spoken like a true communist......