Crude Language Online

[Creamo]

I'm sure they do but I thought someone was having a spasm about crude language. Neither of which I condone, but I can't say I care much about it either.

[moose]

Well disregarding Vossie and Wulfie's domestic dispute..

I used to cuss all the time on squad chan and RW until HB really yelled at me to get me to quit it before I corrupted his daughter
Lesson learned.


Therefore:
I nominate HB to be the new arena babysitter!

I dont mind the people who get nailed and type out a random 'diddly' on chan 1. As long as it ends there.

Morons who flame on should be muted. I dont feel like having to squelch 1 either cuz I like the open banter, but it also sucks seeing half the whiney squeaking and name calling on it.

[CavemanJ]

Originally posted by AKcurly
Some time ago, HTC did have player-monitors, guys with the authority to eject participants.  At the time, I thought "nah, that's not good."  Well, I would like to change my mind.

They did away with the jerks... erm, monitor types?  When did this happen?  One of them muted me about a week ago.

And they never had the power to eject players, only to mute them for 10minutes at a time.

Life in AH gets real interesting when one of them who doesn't like you had a bad day.

[lazs2]

never heard a word that bothered me.   I would rather censor moronic, dishonest and insipid out of conversations but... probly not possible.   I sure don't want the job in any case.
lazs

[Hun-Hunter]

HTC could fix the language probem real easy. They could just prevent foul offensive words from being sent through the server. Could even happen at the User end of the software so the Host would not be affected.

However, for some weird reason they perfer the words get broadcast then they "mute" you???

I got muted for 10 min the other day for saying "roadkill" ? LOL

[Voss]

Originally posted by MrWulf
Voss..put the crack pipe down, your brain is shot. Very seldom do I comment about warps, never have i said anything about ping counts, and when I do it's a very simple 'check your connection'   and as for voice...Im seldom on local, usually on squad. Why don't you just grow up, change countries, or just plain disappear..this thread is dead....Ohh and i stand corrected, you are a tard not a dweeb, thnx for reminding me.

This is the sort of thing I'm talking about. Wulf demonstrates here that he lacks the civility to control himself in any environment. He has had time to cool down, think things through, and reconsider before typing such childish comments. This is precisely the type of personality that ruins online gaming.

A lot more people are against profanity then you know, Wulf. Far from being dead, this subject could be significant in the continued growth of Aces High. Will we, as participants in this community, allow this trend to continue? Or, do we cull the weeds now? In the past the community has always chosen to clean things up.

Just so you know, I roll film on every sortie. AHVoice is captured along with the film. I have, on two occasions, had my films ruined by you. Once, you were yelling at me trying to tell me what to do, and how to do it (killing GV's, as if I need the help), and the second time you vented quite vociferously about getting hit by a single shell and exploding. So, your statement as quoted above is false. There was another time, when I got a capture just seconds ahead of you, but I wasn't rolling film. Your action at that point would have gotten you banned immediately had it been witnessed by any of the staff at HTC. Your behaviour appears to be repetitive in nature, so it's just a matter of time before someone sees it and pushes the button.

I won't sweat the individuals, from this point on, but this language issue is far from over. Especially, when you consider the implications of AHVoice and the effect it has on the two week visitors. If, we can't police ourselves, then we are doomed to even more vulgarity and childishness in the future. In that event features like permanent squelch, or limited comms will become even more of a requisite.

[sling322]

Muting deserved IMO.  

Do you really think words like that should be broadcast over channel 1?  And you obviously said it more than once since the first time would get you a warning.

And another thing....why should HTC spend valuable time that could be used for things like a P61 on doing something stupid like configuring their server to stop curse words before they get broadcast.  The language filter works great for the way its designed.  I think it should be up to the individual to police himself and decide whether or not having the whole arena needs to see him cuss.

[JoeDirt]

i didnt do it i SWEAR!!!

[Blank]

just my thoughts on this:

Profanities as a whole are harmless and I enjoy reading the text buffer as people are raving at each other but i'm a very laid back kind of guy and dont take offence easily.

'BUT' dont forget that we are a multinational community and there are subtle differences in meaning from country to country.

ex:
when I was travelling ( i'm a surfer ) some of my Ozzy and Kiwi friends used the word 'roadkill' as a positive word'

ie. 'that was roadkill!'  - meaning the move I pulled while surfing was GOOD!'

I took offence the first time I heard this, because from where i'm from we use the word 'roadkill' as a negative.

Just pic your words carefully, and dont think you can be rude just because your alone miles away from the guy your slating, even the lowly word 'Dweeb' can cause alot of offence.
I never swear in public, but I'll swear as much as I like around friends.
Aces high is public so dont use bad language.

[laz]

You guys are big boys aren't you.. Can't you handle it yourself??  If someone is making rude comments with foul language.. Which everyone HAS at some time, due to anger, just squlech them.  "Fuggin"... how can that bother you?  But i do understand if you hear someone making racial comments to speak up about it.   but us whining about "fuggin" and all those other beat around words isn't going to do much, cause theres to many people that use them. Actually, a few of you guys i hear crying on here have personally flung foul language/Racial comments at ME, i am not crying?

[Grizzly]

I think Curly captured the issue quite well in his post (below).

Often some players will get upset and post a profanity. The other players may accept it without comment or tell the person to clean it up, that's their perogative. But if the person doesn't comply and become disruptive, HTC could have someone available to warn that person and eject him if needed.

This is how a game community can be self policing. If the players don't mind some profanity, they can have it that way. But if players don't wish to see it, they shouldn't have to. And they certainly shouldn't face abuse if they complain.

All that is needed is for HTC to provide a backup for the players (a Game Assistant). I assume this is done to some extent now, but there is not always someone available and their presence should be known. If the players' complaints aren't justified, the Game Assistant can suggest they chill and squelch the person. And when things are going well, the Game Assistants can help new players, answer question or tell players where they can go to get help. To prevent Game Assistants from abusing their power, they need to be carefully selected and monitored.

Flossy was one of these and she was very successful at it. Her primary ability was in the respect players had for her... she seldom needed to do more than remind a player to behave. In almost all cases the player appologized and behaved.

An occasional squelch is ok when things get a bit crusty, but when arena disruption occurs, one needs to squelch the entire channel to get away from the mess. No player should be expected to give up the use of a channel because of some jerk trying to cause trouble. A language filter does work to some extent, but we have seen how players get around it, and no filter can eliminate all offensive language. Much of the worst language isn't profain at all but otherwise abusive, such as racial hate. And arena disruption can occur from players ragging on each other even though no profanity is used.

grizzly

Originally posted by AKcurly
For the guys that say "squelch 1," well, for me, that's a problem.  Much of the entertainment in Aces High comes from channel 1.

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I would not like HTC to single out profane remarks.  Instead, I wish they would attempt to control the disruptive participant.

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I think all guys who state 1) unrelenting profanities, 2)unrelenting obscene remarks (including substitutes) and 3) troll on channel one by making anti-semetic/anti-american/etc remarks should be given a 15-30 minute vacation from Aces High.  If they return and persist, give them a 24 hour vacation.

curly

[-ik-]

"cheese!"

This is an example of an expressive phrase that cannot ever be found at fault.  Spell it out, "S" "h" "1" "t."  As soon as you say it's foul language, people who enjoy the phrase can say "5hit!" Ban that phrase, and soon you see "5h1t."  The list goes on and on.

I think online abusiveness should be ignored, or, if necessary, the abuser should be warned and later ejected.  Mere expressives like "wtf," "5hit" only harm those who extend the sphere of their puritanical morality to their online interactions; there's got to be something more worthwhile in life to complain about than these sorts of phrases.

[Pongo]

voss your tone at the time to the guy was condecending and more anoying then what he did.
He said one thing..
fuggin dweeb or something like that.
and you pounced on him hollier then thow and turned it into the 30 minute extravaganza that it was. The guy lost his temper and you seemed to be trying to goad him into saying worse.
Poor example to pounce on about profanity. Its still not a big deal. You were more anoyoying then him. And now you dredge it up here.
Its still a non issue.
one little fuggin dweeb rolling by in the buffer is not the end of the world. You were bored of flying I guess and tried to make it the end of the world.
I am all for a person to monitor and punt.
I hope they have more sense then you about it though.

[-ammo-]

count me in the crowd that dislikes the epletives (and subs).  (I am also guilty of slipping one out on a bad night in AH, if there can be a bad night:))Why does it bother me? Is it because I am overly sensitive? Is it because I have thre young boys that are around when I am OL with AH?

No, its my own values and morals. this topic wouldnt even been up for debate a few years ago. That type of language used in a public enviroment was not accepted.  Now people say, its just words, they dont mean anything, dont be so sensitive, bla...

A little courtesy and restraint would go a long way.  I am afraid that will not happen, and I am hoping that HTC will establish some sort of safegaurd against it.

curly

[Voss]

Pongo, you are defending indefensible behaviour, and it's out of control. I've been online all afternoon and within any two minute segment you can catch this trash in the buffer. It's way past time to stop it.

Your sense of time is way off, bud. I was on the last 10% of a Tiffy's fuel, and that won't go thirty minutes no matter how you slice it. Condescending? I asked him to stop, I told him a little thought before typing in the buffer would go along ways toward tempering his mood, and I said 'stop it now,' and 'HTC does eject people for this behaviour.' Immediately, you jumped in to tell me to shutup.

I'm not likely to listen to you, Pongo. You're wrong.