Author Topic: USA: interesting view from a Brit (Read 951 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** July 14, 2002, 01:38:18 AM »

It's so very easy for the gutless euros to set up a world court. Nobody would care to attack them there because europe almost never has to make the sort of hard decisions and take the difficult adult actions which lead to America's opposition to such a childish measure.

Udie · « **Reply #31 on:** July 14, 2002, 01:55:02 AM »

That article has so many contradictions it's pitiful. He obviously doesn't get what being an American is all about.

"Americans volunteer their time and money for community causes - especially school and church - on a scale unheard of in liberal Europe."

I think this is the thing European socialist don't understand. Charity and socialism do not mix well. Americans like to give stuff to needy people (one of his contradictions in the article) If the government taxes us the way they do it makes it more dificult to give to charity. Charity is also the more efficient of the two. Why send money to someobody who will use part/most of that money to give it to the people you could just give the whole amount to? And about the poor here in America. In how many countries do the poorest people have 2 color tv's and possibly a car?

He talks about a lady being turned away from a hospital. Well I can say first hand that I have never been denied medical attention from many diferent hospitals in 2 diferent cities. When I was 21 I had surgery on my left wrist and didn't pay a dime. I've been to the emergency room no less than 6 times when I didn't have a penny to my name. They billed me, but they never turned me away. Once I had to use the "what about the hipocratical oath" card, but again I wasn't turned away after that. Health care is not the domain of the federal government. It belongs in the states. If NY wants to give health insurance to each of it's citizens, more power to them! Doesn't mean NJ has to do the same thing.

He has no clue what being an American is. Good ridence to him, makes room for somebody who will come her that knows why they want to live here. Just a totaly flawed article. It was nice the way he buillt up America so he could cut it down, what a joke....

Kanth · « **Reply #32 on:** July 14, 2002, 04:52:47 AM »

Maybe this guy needs to talk to some of the people who come here half starved on boats...who come here in shipping containers risking death.

Who come sneaking accross our borders

Who have visas to work here

Who are becoming citizens

Then he can tell them to turn around and go back, because it's better where they came from.

Or maybe they can all go with him to live at his mother's house...

Staga · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2002, 07:34:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
we got what we wanted in the "world" court.

In a year we'll get it again

As for landmines, I say whoever planted them, go pick them up... why should the US be responsible, oh yeah - cause we are the babysitter & big protective brother for the rest of the world.

Eagler black-mailing doesn't doesn't do any good to your country and I'm quite sure you know it too

As for land mines.. well Finns know how to do it properly and we have tools for it too.
Finnish U.N forces have been doing it for years in Asia,Africa and Kosovo.

Udie · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2002, 07:50:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Staga

Eagler black-mailing doesn't doesn't do any good to your country and I'm quite sure you know it too

As for land mines.. well Finns know how to do it properly and we have tools for it too.
Finnish U.N forces have been doing it for years in Asia,Africa and Kosovo.

well it would be nice if peoople would start praising the Finns for their work instead of critisizing the USA

Let me be the first. Thanks Finland for clearing up land mines and saving peoples (mostly kids) lives and limbs.

DrDea · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2002, 08:07:27 AM »

"For all the individual warmth and generosity of its citizens, the US is organised on a ruthlessly competitive principle: in life there are winners and losers."

True.And a good point.But he did miss several things.he missed a trip through Appalachia where the poor whites reside instead of talking about the poor blacks who are living a hell of alot better concidering the circumstances.There are poor people everywhere in this country.Were also the ONLY country where the poor,welfare,are fat. The US is an overbearing,self ritchous country but we are allways the first to jump in to help someone else.With a deficit in the billions how much of that do you think went to foreign aid?How much went to paying the military to peace keep in these countries that despise us after we save there tulips from themselves. The argument could be made we stick our noses where it best suits us but theres more to it than that.We ARE the bullys on the block but we also do the most to help everyone else.
Wanna pull the landmines from the DMZ?By all means go for it.And when N Vietnam takes a fast train south dont come crying to us again.Weve lost far more military people to fighting someone elses fight than we ever will fighting our own.Its not even close.So when someone squeakes about the US that is a so called natural born,remember this.No one is making you stay here and many have died to enable you to say that but if YOU dont have someone in the military or served yourself to make that possable,you need to stfu IMHO.
Flame away:rolleyes:

Thrawn · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2002, 08:29:10 AM »

Uh, the Landmine Treaty proposed to ban them, not clean them up.

You guys might want to read a bit about an issue before spouting off about it, with so much righteous indignation.

I mean jeebus, you guys don't even know what your country said no to. And you come in here going all, ""Blah Blah Blah, you're just US bashing again."

DrDea · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2002, 08:39:27 AM »

I know they wanted to ban them.That was a big thing with Princess Diana.But they also want to get them all removed from the DMZ.read up on YOUR facts.As far as bashing the US.Im born and raised here.I can do that.And it wasnt nessecarily bashing.

Krusher · « **Reply #38 on:** July 14, 2002, 09:51:37 AM »

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Originally posted by Udie

well it would be nice if peoople would start praising the Finns for their work instead of critisizing the USA

Let me be the first. Thanks Finland for clearing up land mines and saving peoples (mostly kids) lives and limbs.

And dont forget about the germans ~~who died de-arming Afgahn ordance. The Taliban had this nasty habit of storing bombs in mosqs, schools homes shops and other places inocent people tend to be.~~

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2002, 12:43:37 PM »

LOL... The U.S. has to build walls to keep people out... the socialist countries have to build walls to keep people in.

I think the socialists would rather that everyone live in poverty with no hope of ever getting off "the dole". As for socialist health care? Don't make me laugh.... I been to England.... I seen you guys teeth. My Brother lives in Canada... I send him money. U.S. money is worth something in Canada. Crime in Vancouver is as bad as anywhere in the world.... everyone lives in a sort of low level poverty with no hope of ever getting out unless they can bag some U.S. cash.

I don't want any "world court"... I don't want anything to do with euro politics. They certainly need us a lot more than we need them but why should we allow ourselves to be dragged down to their level?

It boils down to this.... If you come here seeking socialism then yu will probly leave unhappy... thank gawd. Not all Brits are beaten down so badly... I have talked to a few that have been here 20 or more years.. They feel the same as I do when they visit england... Nice place to visit but it should be turned into a theme park. Certainly... it should have no say in U.S. policies.
lazs

NUKE · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2002, 01:10:43 PM »

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I don't want any "world court"... I don't want anything to do with euro politics

Good point.... didnt Euro politics start enough wars over there?

That's all these guy do, make brainless treaties and entanglements with each other that ends up being the root cause of a war. I bet you this world court is no different.... it will be the cause of a war over there, you see.

You know what gets me? Countries that say we stick our noses in others business, then whine that we dont get into there wars soon enough.

They squeak that we didnt jump right WWII immediatly to help there asses. Maybe we shouldnd have stuck our noses in there business.

Screw those jealous idiots.

Kieran · « **Reply #41 on:** July 14, 2002, 01:34:45 PM »

You can't really believe our interests are not intwined with those of the rest of the world? Isolationism is pretty much proven as a failed concept. We cannot help but be involved in world affairs- the question is to what degree is that necessary.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #42 on:** July 15, 2002, 08:21:33 AM »

Whats your viewpoint Leonid? The article captured your attention, enough to post it....comments?

LePaul · « **Reply #43 on:** July 15, 2002, 08:40:11 AM »

I love it when the Euros criticize our way of life here in the USA

And the World Wars started where? In their little Utopian Societies? Say its not so!

Ethnic cleansing in their backyards! Bad us for stopping it and our military having to mind their back yard to keep the peace? Sigh....same old same old. It must be nice to for Euros to criticize while we maintain the peace for them to do so.

Note: Heavy use of humor and sarcasm were used in this post

lazs2 · « **Reply #44 on:** July 15, 2002, 08:44:25 AM »

kieran... I didn't say that. I simply said that we don't need to recognize their "third world court". We are and will continue to be involved in world affairs that concern us.
lazs