Author Topic: The Battle of Brittain (Read 719 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #15 on:** July 16, 2002, 12:42:40 PM »

Well then he couldn't figure out the MkIb had them (and yep, some of em flew in BoB). Either way, he's an anal swastikahead.

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Originally posted by Oedipus
"...he can't figure out that the Spit MkIa didn't have cannons."

Actually he did. Re-read his reply to Jordi's question.

Thanks,
Oed

ATC · « **Reply #16 on:** July 16, 2002, 12:46:02 PM »

GE your work has and still is first class!!

ATC

-ik- · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2002, 01:57:56 PM »

No, not spitdweeb, DweebFire. Hehe, helps to suggest what my cannons do to 'em.

I've read that the biggest reason the 1940 raf didn't use the hispano suiza 20mm cannon was its poor reliability in combat. Since it was gas powered, high altitudes and negative g's wreaked havoc on them, issues that weren't worked out until later marks of the Spitfire and Hurricane.

ik

Guppy35 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:07:08 PM »

As folks have explained the Spit was done for an AW flyer "Stilletto", the A on the wing representing A land, etc etc.

As for what version. I suppose it's supposed to be a Spit IXc although with the tail wheel retracted it looks more like a VIIIc.

In Airwarrior the IX in flight didn't show the tail wheel so I imagine that's what it is meant to represent since it was based on the game.

Obviously the two large radiators, the tropical air intake and the multiple exhaust stacks along with the gray/green camo, take it out of the realm of a combat flown Mk Ia or Ib

Dan
Who likes Spit details

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.

What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?

Wotan · « **Reply #19 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:11:09 PM »

you are correct -ik- jamming was a problem for early hispanos

Guppy35 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:11:25 PM »

Actually it had more to do with the way the gun was mounted in the wing initially which caused numerous jams.(The 51B had much the same issues with it's angle mounted 4 x 50 cals)

It also did not have the 4 303 machine guns to go with it on the Ib so if the cannon jammed, there was little to fall back on.

When the guns did work the hitting power was an obvious huge improvement over the 8 303s. Despite Douglas Bader's protests that it would cause pilots to shoot from too far out, the problems were solved and the IIb, Vb etc went into action and then the later C wing with more cannon ammo was introduced which also allowed for the installation of 4 cannons, although this was rarely done.

Dan

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Originally posted by -ik-
No, not spitdweeb, DweebFire. Hehe, helps to suggest what my cannons do to 'em.

I've read that the biggest reason the 1940 raf didn't use the hispano suiza 20mm cannon was its poor reliability in combat. Since it was gas powered, high altitudes and negative g's wreaked havoc on them, issues that weren't worked out until later marks of the Spitfire and Hurricane.

ik

Guppy35 · « **Reply #21 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:14:22 PM »

Btw clearly a hypothetical Airwarrior based situation as those are Ju87Ds down low passing under the 109F and the Spit VIIIc/IXc.

Definately not a Battle of Britain time frame

Dan

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Whoever painted that painting (or drew that picture) should have paid more attention to detail.

What spit model is that supposed to be anyway?

Wotan · « **Reply #22 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:41:01 PM »

The Mk. II went into service at the end of 1940 equipped with the Rolls Royce Merlin XII of 1,175 hp. Two main variants were produced, the Mk.IIa with eight machine guns and the Mk.IIb with four machine guns and two 20 mm cannons. The Mk.II's were a transitional aircraft to more powerful forms.

A total of 920 Mk.II's were made. 750 Mk.IIa's and 170 Mk.IIb's

The Mk. I(A) came equipped with 8 Vickers K machine guns, 4 in each wing. A total of 1583 Mk.I's were made.

19 Squadron was issued with half a dozen cannon-armed Spitfires (Mk IB). The cannon's hitting power was recognised but jamming was still a problem and little success was achieved.

The Spitfire Mk.V armament varied from eight machine guns in the MkVa, the four machine guns and two 20mm cannons in the MkVb and the four 20mm cannons in the MkVc. The Vc version used a universal wing capable of fitting all of the armament variations.

Only 94 Mk.Va's were made, 3,923 Mk.Vb's were produced and 2,447 MkVc's were produced.

Sikboy · « **Reply #23 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:50:05 PM »

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Originally posted by Oedipus
Now there is a guy who knows his stuff! Guppy35.

Thanks,
Oed

How many kills does Guppy have?

(Sorry Dan )

-Sikboy

Nifty · « **Reply #24 on:** July 16, 2002, 02:55:18 PM »

both the Spit model and the Spit drawing have the universal C wing tho the model has the cannons spaced a bit too far apart. The drawing has them about the right distance apart for the C wing. Also, a real life C wing would have the 0.303 ports noticeable, unless a fantastic patch job was done on them.

I could be wrong, but the early Hispano jamming problem was related to the belt feed. I think I read that once.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 16, 2002, 04:28:07 PM »

ummm.....My mom won't let me have any bullets!

or.....I'm a recce Spit XI pilot!

or......

Dan

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Originally posted by Sikboy

How many kills does Guppy have?

(Sorry Dan )

-Sikboy

Arlo · « **Reply #26 on:** July 16, 2002, 05:01:16 PM »

LOL ... relax mama's boy (crude Oedipus joke)

Truly you've found me out! I was obviously yanking Hort's chain .. and for no more reason than it seemed the thing to do at the time. Eh ... on reflection I prolly shoulda left well enough alone. ESPECIALLY since I don't fly AH yet ( and may never will at the rate I'm going) and anyone that doesn't fly the game isn't really allowed to yank chains on the BB (or anyone that does fly AH for that matter at the rate heads roll here lately. I feel mine being sized for the axe as I post). That and the fact that I don't know Hort from O(ed) from Doodyhead here.

I did think it was kinda funny that Krush wanted to share some of GE's art here and the only thing Hort had to say about it was that it was lacking for the appropriate detail .... including the erroneous "G" in place of the ever so correct swastika. But that really doesn't matter a hill of beans either way as well (even though I've been and still am a big fan of GE's art).

Ergo ... yes, I fell to temptation and boredom and tried to pop Hort with a towel and hit you instead. My bad on both counts. I apologize. But you definately popped me bum back so I don't feel quite as bad as I could have.

Now I'll get back to my panhandling for change to upgrade and play the game.

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Originally posted by Oedipus
You are somewhat correct in that one squadron of 1B's was indeed in service with the 19 sqadron during the BoB. However the Spit 1B was armed with two 20mm cannon and four 0.303 Browning machine-guns so the picture is not a 1B - or any other BoB Spitfire for that matter. Regardless of the details you're trying to back pedal on that art is my wallpaper right now. It does look nice, although a bit 'odd' with the Air Warrior bits on the planes.

Indulge me for a moment if you would?

I looked to see what kind of plane you fly most in AH but I found no online score for an 'Arlo.' Are you a troll or someone else posting simply to harass another player with saying something like "he's an anal swastikahead" to Hortlund? I saw the smiley at the end of your remark but I did not think it was very humurous personaly. and no, I do not wear leather undies. I'm firmly indepedent and am not affiliated with any role playing for one side or the other here.

Thanks,
Oed

Guppy35 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 16, 2002, 07:19:21 PM »

If tou are referring to me, I've not played in a long time. Too much to do and too little time. But I've got lots of old AW friends flying and I enjoy the discussions of the aircraft or the history.

Long love affair with the Spit, way before flight sims, so when folks talk Spits I like to get involved

Dan

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Originally posted by Oedipus
I didn't feel curious enough to look Sikboy as he clearly knew what he was talking about. I just want to repeat that I only looked to at what plane types Arlo had been flying. I did not mean to imply that without a good score or fair amount of air-air kills that anything he said was invalid. I did a quick peek out of curiosity. Sparked by what Arlo wrote. I wanted to see if he was "nationalistic" with his "aircraft" choices. Guppy35 wasn't talking out of his mudhole (rechecks and still sees a topic titled "The Battle of Britain" and nothing about 'Hey! Check out some doods WWII airplane art"). But since you asked I checked and he has none. Is he a player? If so what's his handle online here? Or is this Karnak's alter ego?

Thanks,
Oed

akak · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2002, 07:31:26 PM »

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Originally posted by Oedipus
Guppy35 wasn't talking out of his mudhole (rechecks and still sees a topic titled "The Battle of Britain" and nothing about 'Hey! Check out some doods WWII airplane art"). But since you asked I checked and he has none. Is he a player? If so what's his handle online here? Or is this Karnak's alter ego?

Thanks,
Oed

Due to numerous occasions of augering while taxiing to the runway and various indiscretions with the local sheep, most Nomads have been prohibited from entering a cockpit of any kind, unless they have adult supervision.

Ack-Ack
479th FG - Riddle's Raiders

runny · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2002, 07:53:17 PM »

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Originally posted by akak

Due to numerous occasions of augering while taxiing to the runway and various indiscretions with the local sheep, most Nomads have been prohibited from entering a cockpit of any kind, unless they have adult supervision.

C'mon -- if sheep-molesting could get you grounded, none of us would be flying.