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Offline MrBill

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If the US economy falls into recession or depression
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2002, 04:19:02 PM »
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I guess you left out Bill Clinton by mistake?


HeHe, Nope quite by design, I loathe the man, and did also long before he was elected.  Therefore I gave him an etc. :D
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« Reply #16 on: July 22, 2002, 04:22:23 PM »
Oh, I see the light now.

Responsibility for the economy works like this:

Good Economy - Republican Congress / President (whoever is in power)
Bad Economy - Democratic President / Congress (same as above)

If however

Republicans are in power & we have a bad economy we have the following choices:

The most recent Democratic Administration (You are allowed to go back up to Roosevelt)
The Liberal Media
The most recent Dem. Congress
in that order.

So.....

Inflation of the 70's  - Carter or the Dem Congress (Never Ford!)
early 80's - Carter again (most recent Dem)
Good Econ. of 80's - Reagan
Bad Econ of early 90's - Carter or Dem Congress (never Bush Sr.!)
Good Econ of 90's - Rep. Congress (certainly not Clinton :rolleyes: )
Bad Econ of 00's - Clinton / Liberal Media


Now isn't that simple?

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« Reply #17 on: July 22, 2002, 04:59:02 PM »
There is no recession...sheesh.

I'm involved in commercial developement, dealing with national retail chains and corps everyday...we own banks as well...manufacturing inventories are up last month....business is thriving.

Retail sales were up the highest percentage in 6 years last month.

Sectors are hurting...not the economy as a whole.

The Democrats want the American public to think life sucks under a Republican Admin....just like they told us that Rupublicans were killing old people and starving school children.

If you guys would work harder and cry less, be productive and quit tellin us the sky is falling, things would improve faster.

Anyone who thinks that the overvalued market of the late 90's was real, much less, should have lasted, is an idiot.

I'll never forget when Clinton said, "we have defeated the business cycle".

No shame.:rolleyes:

Offline MrBill

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« Reply #18 on: July 22, 2002, 05:07:49 PM »
Ok, Back to FDR a popular war "always" makes for a good economy. And FDR made the country feel good about itself.  
Harry did not have the gift.
Ike picked the people up and Kennedy kept them up.
LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter ... lets just get by and get it over with mentality prevailed among the people.
Carter had the best chance. But the most honest people are not always the ones to keep ones spirits "up".
Ragen found that what worked in one state did not work on a national level.  But he also had the feel good gift and things got better over time.
Sr couldn't even ride a successful war.
Then we got another feel good about ourselves guy.
Jr. I have my doubts that he will make us get the feel good feeling.

And this is all about what makes for a good economy and not about what makes good politics.

Like I said Just my opinion.
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« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2002, 05:59:04 PM »
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There is no recession...sheesh.



Agree 100%. Our company is having its best year ever. We just made a 2.2 million dollar expansion deal to increase floor space and output. Where is this recession?

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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2002, 07:22:34 PM »
Listed here are the factors that contribute to a strong economy;

1.  The American Worker

2.  Free Enterprise

3.  The American Worker

4.  Moderate to low taxes

5.  The American Worker

6.  Moderate to low credit rates

7.  The American Worker

8.  Moderate to low levels of government intrusion (laissez-faire)

9.  The American Worker

10. Burgeoning foreign markets


While a President can help raise confidence in the economy the ones who have the largest impact on the economy's prosperity are the ones who leave it alone.  The same can be said of Congress.  

By the way, you fellas who support higher tax rates must have better paying jobs than the rest of us.  You must not need as much of your money as I do.  I NEEDED the tax rebate that we got last year DESPERATELY!  So quit whining about it will ya?  If you kick up too much of a fuss, they might ask me to give it back!
It's MY MONEY YOU HEAR!  MINE!  After 25 years at this job I'm at the top of the pay scale at my school earning $35 thousand a year, yet I only bring home $27 thousand of that.  SO SHUT UP WILLYA!

Cordially, Shuckins;)

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« Reply #21 on: July 22, 2002, 07:42:54 PM »
clinton did wonders for my confidence in nailing dimwitted secretarys.  He damn neared wiped me out financially.  I wont go into it.  But here is a hint. NAFTA

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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2002, 08:13:59 PM »
Rude and Midnight...thank you.  

See guys...real examples of how "badly" the economy is doing right now!  

Surprised?  If you were at all then you have been convinced that the economic situation is as "bad" as it is by what...or whom?

Anyway, continue with the Democrat vs. Republican debate...I'll try and keep quiet:D
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2002, 08:21:26 PM »
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clinton did wonders for my confidence in nailing dimwitted secretarys.  He damn neared wiped me out financially.  I wont go into it.  But here is a hint. NAFTA


Would this be the same NAFTA that was also supported by Bush Sr., Reagan, Carter and Ford?


Just askin.

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« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2002, 08:41:14 PM »
Yes it is.

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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2002, 08:44:03 AM »
What we are talking about here is confidence.  The last time we had a "recession", It was completely the fault of the media.  Countless people stopped spending money because they were told not to.  I watched people who were not even remotely affected saying they would not spend as much that Christmas because of the "recession".  People stop spending money, guess what, businesses suffer, people lose jobs, there's even less money to be spent.  I'm not saying the media should not report bad news, but don't blow everything out of proportion.  In this case, the more they yell the sky is falling, the better the chance it will.

And KG45, you seem to have a faulty memory.  The tax cut was proposed because the government had more money than it needed.  When things started to take a downturn and some wanted to get rid of the cut, Bush et.al. pointed out having this money out in the economy was, in fact, better than sitting in the governments pockets.

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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2002, 02:46:42 PM »
By the looks of charting patterns, the market has bottomed out. The extend of the drop was definitelly due to economists poor projections to the media. It's currently at an unsubstantiated low, with a slow growth upside starting today, or the next few days. The real concern of this decline, is that it happened with economic upturn in a regular "summer rally" time. We're supposed to be making a LOT of money right now. People are selling because everyone else is. The next rally sector is supposed to be Gold and if it goes...it generally points to the end of the summer equities rally. So, keep your eyes on the mining market in the next couple weeks :)

It's not the media's fault though. It's the major market influencer's fault for giving the media a reason to dig.

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« Reply #27 on: July 24, 2002, 03:59:15 PM »
Wow, went up nearly 500 points today. Hopefully it keeps going up for the next couple days. I might actually survive some of my options. My guess is that it will slow down compared today as the market gets hit by profit takers. A lot of people have a lot of money to make up.

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« Reply #28 on: July 24, 2002, 04:05:31 PM »
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Wow, went up nearly 500 points today. Hopefully it keeps going up for the next couple days. I might actually survive some of my options. My guess is that it will slow down compared today as the market gets hit by profit takers. A lot of people have a lot of money to make up.


yep, just need more CEO's in handcuffs and the market will go through the roof :)

I think this is just a bump up, followed by a selloff and continue downward trend. We need to get past these huge swings and settle into a slow and gradual growth to finally advance
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