Author Topic: High Explosive rounds and the Ricochet (Read 280 times)

brady · « **on:** August 13, 2002, 01:44:03 AM »

Tonight I was shooting at a M16 parked on the Beach. I was in my LVTA4 lobbing shels at him from 24 out. Nice high ark those shels had.

First engagement I hit the M16 4 times( Tweak verified this he was M16), nothing hapend, untill the last shel hit, then he lost a track.

about 4 more rounds, 1 took his other track, 2 ricocheted off and apparently the 4th killed him.

He respawned:

5 hits about the same range, all ricochet, he lands it.

1st "?" why does it take more than one 75mm HE hit on a very lightly armored opentoped halftrack to kill it? let alone 8.( this btw was the first time I ever actualy got a kill aganst a M16 using the 75 on the LVT other times I have hit repatedly with little effect other maybe a track out)

2nd"?" why do High angle HE rounds actual ricochet, wouldent they detonate on impact, you could see them arching in then hit the hood and bounce up they other way.

A side issue, why( or is this just my experance) do M8 37MM ap rounds have little or no effect on the M3/M16? I have never damaged or killed one with this gun and I have fired at tons of them.

Why also did a osty take 6 37mm HE rounds point blank into it's tracks with no effect at all , and a 2 second burst of 50 cal can imobalise an osty?

BTW can we have a HEAT round for the LVTA4, it carried them.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #1 on:** August 13, 2002, 08:15:13 AM »

I asked the same question about HE rounds bouncing off a while ago.

http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=51559

Vermillion · « **Reply #2 on:** August 13, 2002, 01:57:28 PM »

Well, depending on many factors (angle, fuse design, KE, and others) there is always the possibility of a shell not fusing correctly, and it could ricochet off. But this should be pretty rare.

No idea what is going on.

SKurj · « **Reply #3 on:** August 13, 2002, 05:21:49 PM »

I would think an HE round would basically disintegrate not riccochet..

SKurj

BGBMAW · « **Reply #4 on:** August 13, 2002, 05:23:33 PM »

thats funny..that little mouse fester was hiding under a rock in his m8....he kept vulching"imagine that"..my panzer at the spawn point...he was killimg me ateast 8 times...

Love BiGB
xoxox

brady · « **Reply #5 on:** August 13, 2002, 07:33:50 PM »

I had a streak of over 25 vulching in a M8 aganst Panzer's( was resuplied by NH mihatt), the AP ammo in the M8 is effective aganst the Panzers, howeaver I have repetedly hit M3/m16's with the AP ammo to no avail.

I just thought with the high angle of fire the likely hood of a round bouncing off the hood of the M16 was was prety rare, and it hapened 5 times in a row.

Not to mention all those HE hits on the lightly armored hull of the M16, then again what with the high angle you would of thought they went into the open top.

But realy this all conjectour.

Soulyss · « **Reply #6 on:** August 13, 2002, 08:05:57 PM »

in the TA today a squaddie and I were sitting about 15-20 yards from each other (he was in an m8, I was in a m16) and he said he saw his HE ricocheting off the front of my vehicle

brady · « **Reply #7 on:** August 13, 2002, 08:10:09 PM »

I might be mistaken , but I beleave that the DA is the only place whear you can go for testing since lethality is tuned down in the TA.

Soulyss · « **Reply #8 on:** August 13, 2002, 08:26:00 PM »

true true, and I could be mistaken but I don't think that would effect whether a shot would ricochet or not just how much damage is required to destroy?

Pongo · « **Reply #9 on:** August 14, 2002, 10:40:32 PM »

Well the drop of the round is constant.. 9.8 meters per second.
most of that will likey happpen at the end of the second. I estimated the speed of a 50 at 3000 ft per second and used Bradys 1000 yards to equate that to 1 second of flight so 10 meters of drop. that is how far the round will drop...unless some force is pushing it down quicker or up. it doenst have wings.

But any way. I just used bradys range with a non referenced rough guess at the velocity of the 50 cal.

there is a definate beaten zone on a 50 cal fired at 1000 yards.. Also note that the enemy might have been firing the 30 cal which might slow down faster so have a more effective beaten zone at 1000 yards.

The probability of it is irrelivent. the thread described it as imposible...It is definatly not imposible to kill an open topped vehicle with a machine gun at 1000 yards..