Planes i would like for 1.04

[Nash]

 

The VIIC was the workhorse of the German U-boat force in World War Two from 1941 onwards and boats of this type were being built throughout the war. The first VIIC boat being commissioned was the U-69 in 1940. The VIIC was an effective fighting machine and was seen in almost all areas where the U-boat force operated although their range was not as great as the one of the larger IX types.

The VIIC came into service as the "Happy Days" were almost over and it was this boat that faced the final defeat to the Allied anti-submarine campaign in late 1943 and 1944.

Displacement:
(tons)   769 (sf)
871 (sm)
1070 (total)
Length: (m)   67,10 oa
50,50 ph
Beam: (m)   6,20 oa
4,70 ph
Draught:   4,74 m
Height:   9,60 m
Power: (hp)   3200 (sf)
750 (sm)Speed:
(knots)   17,7 (sf)
7,6 (sm)
Range:
(miles / knots)   8500/10 (sf)
80/4 (sm)
Torpedoes:   14
4/1 (bow / stern tubes)
Mines:   26 TMA
Deck gun:   88/45
220 rounds
Crew:   44-52 men
Max depth:   ca. 220 m
(722 feet)

 

[Nath-BDP]

ONCE AGAIN...

   

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Stab/Jagdgeschwader 54
'Grunherz'

 

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[jihad]

Ki-61 and FM-2 would be nice additions IMO.  

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Jihad
48th FG "Checkertails"

[JimBear]

RAM

No humour was intended more of gentle sarcasm. Yes the Spit XIV will be an awesome foe. All the facts presented and in evidence show that it will be a match against any currently implemented A/C. Bring it on. It will be a challenge that is welcomed. Been beaten my many many pilots  in here, I dont think I've been out flown by an A/C yet. As for the game being taken over by whatever model of plane decreed "uber". Dont believe it, and have more faith in the people that I fly with and against than it fall into that mindset

JimBear

[BigJoe]

Nice selection Zig but would rather see a HE177 greater payload and radio controled bombs and bring on that spitXIV its not like anyone can select auto kill, sit back and watch it go on the hunt somebody has to move that stick.

[Hangtime]

"Will the REAL P51B ever get modeled, ever get modeled, ever get modeled....

... we're gonna have a problem here.."

 

Hang

[-duma-]

 

Originally posted by Zigrat:
I know that flying the g10 and the g6 are completely different things. The g10 trying to ride on a cheetah as compared to a horse as the g6. The cheetah may be faster, but as a squeak to keep under control.

That gets my vote as wierdest analogy  

'Phew, the engine in this G10 is pretty amazing'
'Yeah? How many horses?'
'HORSES? What do you think this is, a G6?!'

 

And cheetahs can outmaneuver horses any day.  


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Duma
The Red Dragons
'Fierce And Bold
With Courage And Honour'
 http://www.reddragons.de

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[juzz]

Ooh, look at the pretty evaluation...

Spitfire Mk XIV vs 1942 planes:

Spitfire Mk IX - more endurance, equal range.

Fw 190A-4? - rollrate is much better, has better initial dive.

Me 109G-6 - Only 10mph slower at 16k! Equal in climbrate at 16k! Pulls away in initial part of dive, until 380mph!

Spitfire Mk XIV vs real 1944/45 competitors:

Fw 190D-9 - MW 50 equipped, is faster at S/L up to 18k. Without, about equal up to 20k. Most probably would out-dive the Mk XIV. Better high-speed controls.

Me 109G-10(K-4) - Faster from S/L up to 20k. Climbrate is about equal, possibly superior at some altitudes, up to 20k. Probably has better dive.

 

Brief Tactical Comparison with Tempest Mk V

Range and Endurance- Rough comparisons have been made at the maximum cruising conditions of both aircraft. It is interesting that the indicated airspeed of each is about 280 mph and the range is about identical, both with full fuel load (including long-range tanks) and without (also no nose-tank-Tempest).

Maximum Speed- From 0-10,000 feet the Tempest V is 20 mph faster than the Spitfire XIV. There is then little to choose until 22,000 feet, when the Spitfire XIV becomes 30-40 mph faster, the Tempest's operational ceiling being about 30,000 feet as opposed to the Spitfire XIV's 40,000 feet.

Maximum Climb- The Tempest is not in the same class as the Spitfire XIV. The Tempest V, however, has a considerably better zoom climb, holding a higher speed thoughout the manoeuvre. If the climb is prolonged until climbing speed is reached then, of course, the Spitfire XIV will begin to catch up and pull ahead.

Dive- The Tempest V gains on the Spitfire XIV.

Turning Circle- The Spitfire XIV easily out-turns the Tempest.

Rate of Roll- The Spitfire XIV rolls faster below 300 mph, but definitely more slowly at speeds greater than 350 mph.

Conclusions- The tactical attributes of the two aircraft being completely different, they require a separate handling techique in combat. For this reason Typhoon squadrons should convert to Tempests, and Spitfire squadrons to Spitfire XIVs and definitely never vice-versa, or each aircraft's particular advantages would never be appreciated. Regarding performance, if correctly handled the Tempest is the better below about 20,000 feet and the Spitfire XIV the better above that height.


Tactical Comparison with Mustang Mk III(P-51B)

Radius of Action- Without a long range tank, the Spitfire XIV has no endurance. With a 90 gallon long-range tank it has about half the range of the Mustang III fitted with 2 x 62 1/2 gallon long range tanks.

Maximum Speed- The maximum speed are practically identical.

Maximum Climb- The Spitfire XIV is very much better.

Dive- As for the Spitfire IX. The Mustang pulls away, but less markedly.

Turning Circle- The Spitfire is better.

Rate of Roll- The advantage tends to be with the Spitfire XIV.

Conclusion- With the exception of endurance no conclusions can be drawn, as these two aircraft should never be enemies. The choice is a matter of taste.

Don't you just love these wartime comparisons, they are so accurate and well defined.  

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[Hangtime]

LOL..

Juzz.. reading that pony vs spit comparison I'm remminded of Mel Brooks..

"We gotta protect our phoney-baloney jobs gentlemen!!"

I wonder what the authors agenda really was.  

Hang

[Cobra]

I didn't get a harumph out of that guy.....

Thats Hedley Lamar....

[Batmann]

Yes, I thought for making scenario event.

Vehicles
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M10 (or other Allied tank)
Ostwind (is planned already?)
German truck anything (for carry troops)

Bombers
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Ju87G (with 37mm cannon)
Il-2 (need tank buster of Allied also)
Do217 (need German bomber also)
G4M2 (need Japanese bomber also)
B25J (for South Pacific operation)

Fighters
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Ki61 (with MG151/20 or Ho-5 20mm cannon model)
P38J (for South Pacific operation)
P40E (for South Pacific operation)
F6F (for South Pacific operation)

Thank you.

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Batmann <CO/JG68> from Tokyo, Japan
JG68 Briefing Room
"Anybody who is Japanese and likes German aircrafts
can't but get to like Ki-61."

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[funked]

Juzz it's time to repost those "facts" from that "objective source" you found a while back.  

[112233]

Some good links
 http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/gustin_military/
 http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_other/

[HABICHT]

it's funny how you compare 109G10 vs spit14.
maybe g10 is faster (i don't believe) what
could it do with his speed? for a kill you have to slow down in G10 (horrible high speed
handling). g10 has no chnace against a good
spit9 pilot....so you compare it with spit14, lol!
AGAIN, WHY did allied get the LATE WAR Lancaster (cal.5 turrents, no .303 i heard)
and WE Luftwobbles GET and 1941!!!!!! buff
with no stratecical use in MAIN?????????????
GIVE ALLIED THE BLENHEIM PLS!!!
disappoited
HABICHT out
XO JG54"Gruenherz"

[Hristo]

Dora and Spit XIV.

Make the game interesting  


As for buffs, seems like a same trend: newest US planes and early/mid war LW (how about making a sim with P 39 on US side and Dora for LW ?  ).