Who was the Best President? Clinton?

[Kronos]

Hmmm..... No one seems to recall that Abraham Lincoln imprisoned people without due cause, broke almost all of the bill of rights, including freedom of speech.... all during a time of war in the name of "saving the union" ... now I for one do believe he was a good president, and probably the best that the Union could have had for that time.  But, amongst those presidents who "bent the rules" he ranks among the foremost.

Ronald Reagan.  Yes, he spent billions on armaments during a period of tense nuclear proliferation in the world... he got the american military back on its feet after several blunders and disasters that cast a terrible light on the U.S. Armed Forces.  And he was the first president to give the U.S. military a decent pay raise. -- He gets my vote.  (im not partial at all, no im not )

Bill Clinton.  He cut the military, downsized it,  in an effort to save money.   He "downsized" the military to the point where it almost couldnt do the job anymore.  -- Nuff said.

[wsnpr]

More posts on the Reagan years. Be sure to check out 87-80 also.
Please tell me with a straight face that Reagan still was the best.  LOL  (I actually just found the link trying to find the quotes posted above. Couldn't find the exact quotes...yet. Wow worse than I remember. Brought me down memory lane)

http://www.quickchange.com/reagan/1988.html

[wsnpr]

Originally posted by Durr
wsnpr I am conservative, and you can search my posts if you like.  I have never resorted to insults or name-calling in arguing my viewpoint.  I have seen just as many liberals as conservatives resort to this type of behaviour on these boards.  Neither side has a lock on all the idiots.  It just seems to you that more conservatives do so, probably because those are the posts that you notice most.  I know that if I see a conservative calling names or hurling insults, I may cringe or laugh depending on what he says, but if a liberal does same, it is more likely to inflame me.  I try to see both sides of the issues, and I value debate, but I remain unabashedly and firmly in the right hand side of the aisle, and like so many issues this is simply an issue of perspective.
 

Durr,
I stand corrected. Without thinking I meant to classify as some when in fact I was painting all conservatives with a broad brush. I apologize. I will edit the post to make clear to mean some, not all.
And yes, you have a valid point. It is all about perspective. As you are entrenched in the right hand side, I the left. After all, everyone, including you and I are making statements based on our own perspectives.  ~SALUTE~ Sir.
Regards,
wSNPR

[Fishu]

Kieran,

All im saying, is that I can't believe those two puppets made it that far.
Couldn't US have voted for better ones?
Is it just that they had alot bigger budget than others and thats all that did matter?

I just don't understand how bush jr. became elected.. it's still beyond me.
Gore wasn't strong looking candidate either.. seemingly a puppet and not a strong leader.

[Kieran]

Fishu-

With that I agree. Neither one were my first choice, and even my first choice wasn't all that good. If you think Bush scares the world, imagine if McCain had won.

[mietla]

I don't think that Reagan would be willing to do this:


In defense of Israel

[Elfenwolf]

The greatest President we ever had was our 9th President, William Henry Harrison. He died before he had a chance to continue the downward spiral of American politics.

[easymo]

Who was the Best President? Clinton?


Billy Winslow had him beat by a mile.  Winslow was our Jr. high class president.  He was openly gay as pink ink.  That took a lot of character in 1960. Something we all know clinton has never had even a passing knowledge of.

[Shuckins]

Ever notice how many tough, rugged and muscular virtual he-men you meet on-line?

One of the things that made Roosevelt a great president was his willingness to adopt ideas from the "opposition party."  Some of the New Deal programs created by Roosevelt's administration came from ideas originally developed by Herbert Hoover.  Roosevelt worked closely with the leaders of the Republican party, some of which were appointed to prominent posts within his administration.

Sorry guys, but Reagan didn't drive up the deficits and the national debt.  Congress did that.  Lesson 1 for any government class studying the development of the federal budget is this:  The President and his staff write the budget.  Lesson 2: The budget is then sent to the House and the Senate, who treat the President's budget as if it is only a suggestion.  Deficits develop when House and Senate members run naked through the taxpayer's money.  Lesson 3:  The President can threaten to veto it, but it is an empty threat.  Congress knows that he isn't likely to axe a budget that took 18 months to develop.  A line-item veto would work, but what are the chances that Congress would ever give the President that kind of power?  Lesson 4:  All spending bills start in the House of Representatives.  During Reagan's administration, the House was controlled by the __________________ Party.  (Please fill in the blank).


Regards, Shuckins

[easymo]

BTW on the subject of that great liberal LBJ (LOL)








 Tapes: Incident that opened door to Vietnam war may not have happened
08/03/2002

The Associated Press

SAN ANTONIO — North Vietnam's 1964 unprovoked attack on U.S. navy ships, which opened the door to the Vietnam War, probably never occurred, according to tapes released by President Lyndon B. Johnson's library at the University of Texas at Austin.

Thirty-eight years ago Sunday, Johnson interrupted network television to tell the nation that U.S. warships in the Gulf of Tonkin had been attacked by North Vietnamese PT boats. Congress responded by giving Johnson the go-ahead to escalate war.

Johnson described the incident as "open aggression on the open seas," and ordered airstrikes on North Vietnam which opened the door to a war that would kill 1 million Vietnamese and 58,000 Americans and divide the nation along class and generational lines.

For decades, skeptics have debated whether the Aug. 4 attack really occurred, with some suggesting the Johnson administration staged or provoked it to get the congressional nod for aggression against the communist country.

Recently released tapes of White House phone conversations, which include 51 conversations from Aug. 4 and 5, 1964, when the Tonkin Gulf incident occurred, indicate that the attack probably never happened, according to a review of the tapes by the San Antonio Express-News for Saturday's editions.







Just another one of those Honest hard working Democrates

[majic]

In all fairness, easymo, there is no reference in that article to any quote or example from the tapes as to why the San Antonio Express came to that conclusion.  (i.e.- what in those tapes gave them that conclusion?)

[easymo]

This is old news.  Do a search.

LBJ was an able administrator. He directly affected changes that were long overdue. And where very adimerable.  But to say that that somehow balances out a lie that cost 60 thousand dead, 300 thousand wounded, bankrupting the economy for years from that point, and tearing apart the nation in ways that continue to this day, forty years later. Is just plain laughable.

[Sikboy]

Originally posted by easymo
This is old news.  Do a search.

LBJ was an able administrator. He directly affected changes that were long overdue. And where very adimerable.  But to say that that somehow balances out a lie that cost 60 thousand dead, 300 thousand wounded, bankrupting the economy for years from that point, and tearing apart the nation in ways that continue to this day, forty years later. Is just plain laughable.

Hey Levi, do you know if Dr. Moise used to teach at UNC?

-Sikboy

[GWH]

Originally posted by Shuckins

Sorry guys, but Reagan didn't drive up the deficits and the national debt.  Congress did that.  

Reagan could have vetoed any budget bill unacceptable to him,  but he did not.  IIRC, Reagan actually complained on at least one occasion that a Congressional budget proposal didn't have enough spending for his liking.  The House Appropriations Committee determined that if Congress had let Reagan's budgets go through as he proposed, the national debt would have been approximately $29 billion higher than it was when Reagan left office.  

This doesn't absolve Congress (and let's not forget that from 1981 through 1986 the Republicans controlled the Senate) of its own irresponsible spending habits, but Reagan certainly bears some of the blame for the situation, too.  The behavior of the Reagan Administration towards this issue shot big holes into the GOP platform position of conservative fiscal responsibility/smaller government.

[mietla]

what is the "Environmental Engineer"? Sounds like a contradiction of terms.

What do you take your money for? Hope not "government work".