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Offline whgates3

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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2002, 05:47:57 AM »
admittedly 2 planes operating in a relatively quiet theater of ops (& an unknown amount of operational sorties - could be just a few) is not much

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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2002, 05:58:15 AM »
just looked into it a bit further - the two P-80s that flew in the MTO were actually YP-80a models, they were fighters (not photo recon), and one was later modified to be a QF-80 radio controlled drone...

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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2002, 06:08:59 AM »
The Me-163 is acceptable because it has a generally recognized score of 9 kills? This with 300+ B models produced with many held for testing/training or crashed/exploded before they ever got near an operational unit.

But not the Meteor?


Hmmmm.. maybe it's just country of origin that matters, ya think?
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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2002, 07:08:15 AM »
I dont think theres a "need" for any jet. But the 163 is modelled so put it in the game. :)

It wont have much of an impact.


http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/me163/me163_3.asp

follow the link it disspells some of the myths surrounding the 163.

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Popular Wisdom vs. a Test Pilot’s Experiences

1. Rocket engines would explode without warning.

RO: engines were reliable and relatively safe and were adjusted so as to shut down in the event of an imbalance in fuel flow. If there was a problem in engine performance, it related to shutdowns, not explosions. The only instances of engines blowing were in early testing of prototypes or when they had been damaged in battle or by accident.

  2. Leaking fuel could turn pilots to jelly, particularly if the plane flipped over.

RO: pilots, me included, survived overturned Komets, and an overturned ship would not necessarily leak fuel into the cockpit. When fuel contacted organic material, including skin, it ignited after only a few seconds. Our protective nylon suits would not ignite but were porous, and fuel could sop through to the skin.

3. Forward-mounted flaps were necessary to counter a negative pitching moment from the trailing-edge flaps.

RO: the TE flaps were trim flaps only, and the deployment of the forward-mounted underwing flaps did not cause a pitch change.

4. The Komet’s dive to speeds resulting in compressibility were often fatal.

RO: no fatalities resulted from this, to my knowledge. The Komets in such dives recovered after reaching a lower altitude that neutralized the compressibility problems.

5. As many as 15 percent of Komets broke up while pulling out of high-speed dives where compressibility had became a factor.

RO: no such fatalities to my knowledge.

6. Stall characteristics were abrupt and severe and taxed the skills of even experienced fighter pilots.

RO: the plane was equipped with leading-edge slots that eliminated stalls and caused it to mush forward in a mode that was immediately recoverable. The plane would not spin and was intentionally designed to be docile for low-time pilots.

7. Only experienced pilots could adequately handle the airplane at slow speeds.

RO: the plane was docile and friendly at slow speeds, and it had to be for low-time pilots to successfully land it dead-stick.

8. The Komet was not a successful fighter but future development would have made it a formidable interceptor.

RO: The 263—the next incarnation—had retractable landing gear, a pressurized cabin and considerably more fuel, but it never got beyond the early prototype stage.

I agree the 163B was not a successful fighter. Several hundred 163Bs were built,
but only 91 were operational as of December 31, 1944, and only 16 kills were attributed to 163s during the War. Note, however, that while under power or in a fast glide, the 163 could fly circles around any other fighter of its time.

In fact, the true contribution of the Komet was to high-speed flight as evidenced by the success of the delta-wing Concorde and delta-wing space shuttle. These Lippisch planform concepts live on today

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2002, 07:58:34 AM »
I've seen Vampire from quite close and seen it to taxi to takeoff :)
Quite small fighter

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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2002, 08:27:01 AM »
I don't see a need for any jet either. Jets are for kids.  :D

OTOH, I also pretty much dont' care what HTC decides to put in. Because it's pretty obvious they give some thought to the game. If they think something will work.. it's pretty much OK by me.

All that being said.. I do find it pretty amusing to follow the "decision tree" some people use to "justify" including their own particular favorites while totally excluding someone else's suggestion. ;)
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2002, 09:04:49 AM »
umm brady doesnt fly much lw planes.

He flies the 205 / ki-61 / p-38 and hurri

Since there was talk of the 262 way back before we got it he had hoped and suggested a 162 :)


Just a little fyi

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2002, 02:11:34 PM »
Meteor............. :)

Hey Gatso, which part of Leicester do you live?  That's only 20 miles from where I live :)
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« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2002, 02:17:20 PM »
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Originally posted by sutpid
well what  bout the g-41meteor
.Length 13,59 m ; 44,7 Ft
Height 3,96 m ; 13,03 Ft
Wingspan 11,33 m ; 37,27 Ft
Wing Area 32,51 sq m ; 38,89 sq Yds
Engine 2 Rolls-Royce Derwent 8 turbojets (1588 Kg/s)
Weapons 4x20mm cannons
Empty Weight 4865 Kg ; 10740 Lbs
Max Weight 7120 Kg ; 15717 Lbs
Top Speed 953 Km/h ; 592 MpH
Ceiling 13410 m ; 44111,84 ft
Range 1110 Km ; 690 mi
First flight 5th March 1943
N° built 3875
Versions built 26
Used by n° countries 14
Crew 1



Sutpid, that's a Armstrong Whitworth Meteor NF.14, which dates back to early to late 1950s.

Gloster Meteor III is:

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« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2002, 02:19:17 PM »
Wasn't really singling out Brady or anyone else.

It was a general observation.
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« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2002, 02:21:48 PM »
Meteor III is a lot prettier than the NF series.

Nexx I'm about 3 miles outside Leicester in Birstall.  I went to Univesity with a guy from Oakham.  I just moved back... been living in the St. Albans area doing my degree the last 5 years.

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2002, 02:24:38 PM »
The meteor's performance versus the Me262 is irrelevant as far as bringing it into AH.

I think it's a sweet looking plane and brings some balance to Allied/Axis late war planeset.

Who invented the fricking jet engine anyway? ;)
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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2002, 04:05:10 PM »
Hans von Ohain and Frank Whittle at the same time. :p

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« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2002, 12:35:37 AM »
hahaha - just like Newton & Leibnitz invented calculus concurrently

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« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2002, 02:26:09 AM »
How does HTC rule on whether or not to add aircraft?  Isn't his rule that it must of been combat active in WWII? If so, did the Meteor ever see combat and make kills?

The 262 and the 163 both had kills during WWII...
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