Author Topic: Before 9/11, They Had a Plan! (Read 982 times)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #15 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:02:24 AM »

Typical media response in favor of the president in hindsight. Can't even admit we got caught with our pants down. "We knew something was going to happen, just didn't know when it was going to happen". "We just knew they were up to something." No toejam Sherlock!

Masher

ygsmilo · « **Reply #16 on:** August 07, 2002, 07:48:16 AM »

If my aunt had balls,,,,,she would be my uncle.

Sikboy · « **Reply #17 on:** August 07, 2002, 08:20:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

According to the article, the Clinton administration considered an attack, but decided against it. One reason given was that they didn't want the attack to be seen as just another way to help the Gore campaign.

And we all know that this type of political capital can only be spent to save his own ass.

As for Condi's carreer going down the drain... That's interesting. Since the Article itself talks not of her failures, but of the failures of Washington to go after Al Quada to "take the fight to them" ro "roll them back" as the catch phrases seem to be. It's an interesting read, and it even addresses the fact that political conditions (that it, your opinion, my opininion, the pubilc support in general) went far to prevent action of this nature. We didn't have the will to put this plan into action prior to Sept. 11th, in part because the US public would never have believed it possible.

-Sikboy

PS: Do I get to keep the hook?

Eagler · « **Reply #18 on:** August 07, 2002, 09:00:53 AM »

Sandman's latest picture

and his HomePage

this latest attempt to pin bush for something else the last admin played a bigger part in, will backfired on the dumbocrats -

Sandman · « **Reply #19 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:22:35 AM »

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Originally posted by easymo
Thinking that an article in a leftie rag, like Time magazine, vindicates anything. Vindicates my opinion of left wing crack pots.

Shit... I keep forgetting that the left controls the media.

Sandman · « **Reply #20 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:24:29 AM »

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Originally posted by Eagler
Sandman's latest picture

and his HomePage

this latest attempt to pin bush for something else the last admin played a bigger part in, will backfired on the dumbocrats -

This just in... I'm not a registered Democrat.

Sandman · « **Reply #21 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:31:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy

And we all know that this type of political capital can only be spent to save his own ass.

As for Condi's carreer going down the drain... That's interesting. Since the Article itself talks not of her failures, but of the failures of Washington to go after Al Quada ...

What gets me is Rice's denial that she knew anything about it.

This isn't about pinning blame on the Bush administration. Clinton shares the blame also. Election be damned, they should have done what was right. The Cole was hit on his watch and I believe they knew the Al-Qaeda were behind it.

midnight Target · « **Reply #22 on:** August 07, 2002, 10:33:11 AM »

So we made up a plan after the Cole. We decided to wait due to the lame duck presidency and the plan was passed on to the Bush people.

duh!

Did I miss the "liberal" part of that?

Shuckins · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2002, 11:35:28 AM »

The number of people in the public at large who actually knew who Osama Ben Laden was prior to 9/11 was extremely small. Most of us on this board did not have a clue. Liberal was just as surprised as conservative when the planes hit.

Hindsight can turn people into prophets!

Regards, Shuckins

rogwar · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2002, 11:43:06 AM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

According to the article, the Clinton administration considered an attack, but decided against it. One reason given was that they didn't want the attack to be seen as just another way to help the Gore campaign.

Oh... the point? The point is that we could have quite possibly avoided the attack on 9/11.

It's all pretty much armchair quarterbacking....

woulda...shoulda....coulda horsehockey. We never have been safe from a determined, planned attack. We just generally thought that to be the case. The USA has been studying and planning possibilities against Al-Queda and bin Laden since before Bill lobbed those cruise missles over in Sudan.

A note on my boofu buddy Bill. I have met him several times, the first when I was a college student at the U of A and he was governer...not just shook his hand but was around him several hours. There was just something about him my sixth sense didn't care for as a human being. I remember it well.

A note on Ms. Rice. Seriously, I think she's kinda cute, along with the power and determination. Also, there would really be something in boffing the National Security Advisor.

Eagler · « **Reply #25 on:** August 07, 2002, 12:30:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM

This just in... I'm not a registered Democrat.

you should be, I think they are looking for a new poster boy

me thinks you'll be voting like one this Nov too

Kieran · « **Reply #26 on:** August 07, 2002, 12:38:12 PM »

Until this point, I didn't know just how gullible some people could be. If the common sense of having a president who sat for eight years and suffered three attacks yet didn't enact this plan doesn't turn on a light, then nothing will.

Weazel, the only thing this vindicates is the feelings against Clinton. He didn't act in the interests of America because it would have hurt him personally and politically, something he simply couldn't allow to happen.

Sandman, I thought you were a little quicker on the take than that.

midnight Target · « **Reply #27 on:** August 07, 2002, 12:57:10 PM »

No Kieran, that is just conservative spin. "Not doing anything" is relative. Exactly how much did GWB do in the time before 9-11? The attack on the Cole occurred during the Clinton presidency, and if the point is that Bill didn't act decisively enough then what is GWB's excuse? Does it matter that GWB wasn't President when the attack occurred? He had opportunity to take decisive action prior to 9-11.

The point is that it is the public that really decides how much can be done. Neither BillC nor GWB had that kind of support prior to 9-11.

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** August 07, 2002, 02:49:10 PM »

there are no doubt 2 or three people who could be assasinated right now... today... and, we would prevent a suitcase nuke from taking out half a major city... then again... we might just kill em for nothing. Oh well... I'm sure sandman wouldn't care one way or the other. let's just do it and if we are wrong so what?
lazs

Wlfgng · « **Reply #29 on:** August 07, 2002, 02:55:08 PM »

we (US CItizens) can't just blame the gov't.

we voted them in
and WE were more complacent than anyone.

How many of us truly expected or even admitted that something like 9/11 could happen.
Most Americans had no clue and falsely considered US safe from outside attack.

The reason for all the stress is the fact that WE, citizens and government, got caught with our pants down.