Author Topic: Me-163s! (Read 560 times)

Chairboy · « **Reply #30 on:** August 05, 2002, 11:20:34 PM »

Geez, Majors, why the buzz kill? It was just for a couple hours, modelled that way for fun. The Me-163s in the game will probably have something like 5-10 minutes of fuel, depending on thrust, like in real life.

brendo · « **Reply #31 on:** August 06, 2002, 05:39:12 AM »

In the screenshots above, there appears to be a Film Viewer GUI. To view films, I use the inbuilt feature after running the normal AH icon.

Is there a seperate viewer somewhere? I head someone once mention you can edit film. Is this correct?

illo · « **Reply #32 on:** August 06, 2002, 05:57:01 AM »

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Originally posted by LLv34_Snefens
I would think not.

Even tho it could climb to 40,000 ft. in 3 min and 35 sec with initial rate of climb of about 16,000 ft./min, it couldn't climb vertical like some modern jets can.
I can't remember the exact angle, but I believe it climbed at about 50 degree at a speed of about 450 mph.
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I always thought it could climb vertical.
70degrees was instructed climb angle after takeoff.

http://www.flightjournal.com/articles/me163/me163_1.asp

brady · « **Reply #33 on:** August 06, 2002, 06:38:43 AM »

That night I tryed a few things, powerless flight, It handeled the way I expected it to, Beautifuly, blead E very slowly indead I got 3 kills in a power off condition, simnply by looping and diving very pleasent to fly , when I started to blead E and slow, I simply turned on the engine and ZOOOM. Granted the model is not yet finished. But I beleave with the correct usage of the available fuel, some fun could certainly be had with the Me 163:)

Btw will we have more "rocket" like effects, when we see the finial model? Like Rocket sound, More ZOOOM efect, it kinda seamed to wind up like the Jet engines we have. Flame and smoke like it had in real life.

Hey whears my AR 234 Drag chute?

LLv34_Snefens · « **Reply #34 on:** August 06, 2002, 08:09:26 AM »

Illo, I was going by the fact that the engine was able to produce a maximum thrust of about 3,750 lbs. Since the empty Me 163B weighed about 4,200 lbs it would be able to maintain a vertical climb for a good time, but with a slow, yet steady loss of speed.
Actually accelerating vertically it could not.
The Me 163C with the added auxillery jet of an additional 660 lbs would be even closer, but still not able to accelerate (it weighs a little bit more too).

Brady, nice to know that you can stop and start engine in flight.
I was reading a bit of Eric Browns test-flying of the Komet, and he mentions that the engine was shut off, before attacks on the bombers and after that, relighting the engine and climbing back up before the process was repeated.
He says that 2 minutes had to have elapsed between stop and start, but doesn't say what would happen if you tried to start engine before that.

deSelys · « **Reply #35 on:** August 06, 2002, 09:02:32 AM »

Some data on the 163 can be found there.

dgsbdy · « **Reply #36 on:** August 06, 2002, 04:33:31 PM »

I have one documented fight of ME 163's ignoring the bombers and attacking the escorts, either three or 6 p51's were shot down,.... I will try to find it. Other than that very few confirmed kills of either escorts or bombers were recorded. There were several close calls, and as had been said, operational losses far exceeded losses due to combat, and far outnumbered confirmed kills.

Karnak · « **Reply #37 on:** August 06, 2002, 08:41:44 PM »

The first fighter to be able to accelerate straight upwards was the F-15. Last I heard (as of the mid-80s) the Su-27 held the record for climb rate in a fighter. I'm sure that's changed by now.

streakeagle · « **Reply #38 on:** August 06, 2002, 09:24:48 PM »

The F-15 was the first fighter to have greater than 1:1 T/W at takeoff: Thrust in the 48000 lb class vs combat takeoff weight of 42,500 lbs class.

However, the F-4 Phantom weighed 29,000 lb empty and had over 34,000 lbs of thrust. The F-4 Phantom held all the low altitude climb records prior to the Eagle (MiG-25 Foxbat had the high altitude records).

So to make a long story short, the F-15 was not the first fighter to be able to climb vertically. It merely was able to do so under a wider range of operating conditions.

Bluedog · « **Reply #39 on:** August 06, 2002, 11:22:43 PM »

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Originally posted by brendo
In the screenshots above, there appears to be a Film Viewer GUI. To view films, I use the inbuilt feature after running the normal AH icon.

Is there a seperate viewer somewhere? I head someone once mention you can edit film. Is this correct?

try Ahfilm.exe in your HTC folder.

Toad · « **Reply #40 on:** August 06, 2002, 11:32:15 PM »

"The unit made its first interception of Allied bombers on August 16, 1944 without success. Early combat experiences demonstrated a number of problems that prevented the Me 163 from ever becoming an effective weapon. Although the aircraft's two MK 108 30mm cannons were capable of downing a four-engine bomber with only three or four hits, the Komet's high speed, coupled with the cannons' slow rate of fire and short range made effective gunnery nearly impossible against the slow moving bombers. As a result, Me 163 pilots recorded a total of only nine kills.

Although capable of reaching its service ceiling of 12,100 m (39,690 ft) in just under three-and-a-half minutes, the Me 163 carried only enough fuel for eight minutes of powered flight. After one or two firing passes, the pilot had to glide back to base with no means of escaping Allied escort fighters. In response to pilots' combat reports, alternative weapons, including vertically firing 50mm cannons triggered by a photocell as the Me 163 passed through a bomber's shadow were tested but not produced in quantity. An improved variant of the aircraft with a greater endurance and a tricycle landing gear, designated the Me 163 C, was also produced in small numbers before the war's end, but was not flown operationally."

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