Author Topic: Poll: Half Willing To Suspend Freedoms (Read 1298 times)

Wlfgng · « **Reply #75 on:** August 07, 2002, 05:18:58 PM »

the gov't wants us citizens (US) to actively defend the nation...

what the hell is wrong with each of us defending our personal freedoms ?

UDIE hit the nail on the head... The judicial system is a joke.

with out proper punishment (checks and balances) laws are a joke.

AND.. the idea of our government was "for the people, BY the people. What we have now are 'interest groups' and 'lobyists'. what the politicians are really doing is lining their own pockets at our expense. Don't be fooled.

support the country you live in but don't be blinded by it.
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Don't let the gov't have absolute power.

10Bears · « **Reply #76 on:** August 07, 2002, 11:25:17 PM »

Man Udie, this was the best thing you ever wrote... It was making me tear up.

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Eagler,

A lot of people died to give us those freedoms. They should not be given back, period. If I get killed in a terrorist attack so be it, at least the next generation will be free. What ever happened to the old saying those who would give up freedom for security deserve neither? Give me liberty or give me death?

We give up ANY freedom and the terrorist have won. I don't care if we lose cities in this war, it's a freaking war for god's sake people are going to die. When this thing is over, these freedoms won't be given back by the government power doesn't flow in that direction. They will take our freedoms and then somebody else's kids in the future will have to sacrifice their lives because we were to weak to fight for our rights now. Or worse, they won't have the knowledge or will to fight for liberty. I am not willing to give up ANY civil/constiutional rights. I am willing to fight for it too......

Sob...

Then Hortland doesn’t understand the United States Bill of Rights or the Constitution I bet he’s a bit envious.

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That is also your opinion. In theory, in a democracy, you are supposed to accept the fact that other people might have different opinions than you. You are also supposed to accept the fact that the people with the different opinions are allowed to work towards their goals, just as you work towards yours.

But apparently this is not correct when it comes to conservatives, because their opinions and goals are "dangerous" or "wrong".

You liberals and the hypocricy you are displaying make me wanna puke.

Sure they legislate law all the time but there’s certain rights and freedoms like gun ownership, the right to own property, the right to assemble and associate with whomever you choose, the right to due process, the right to vote, the right to privacy to your person and your papers and many more. Somebody want to come along and take these away.... I stand with Udie... they can drag our dead bodies away.

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well if they don't come from America the constitution doesn't apply and if they don't like being profile they should stay back in arabia......

Opps Udie, a little booboo there.. you are forgiven not everybody reads every word of every Article. This is one of the reasons the United States is so popular with emigrants

Leslie · « **Reply #77 on:** August 08, 2002, 01:36:09 AM »

The best way to defend freedom in the United States is to become a member of the NRA and make contributions whenever possible. It's not about guns, it's about freedom.

Les

plumbob · « **Reply #78 on:** August 08, 2002, 02:25:37 AM »

Well, "We damn liberals that make you puke" arent always the problem. Infact i dont think you know what a real liberal is. If your thinking about democrats your not looking at a liberal.

Why cant people see that the only diffrece between democrats (usually associated with liberals) and republicans (conservitive) is the democrats get slightly less money from a slighty less scary group of special intrests.

In the end all the people that are supposed to be in service to you are really trying to more or less line there pockets and stay in office as long as they can by passing bills with fancy sounding names like "The Patriot Act".

Speaking of the patriot act, neither the house nor congress even READ the bill before voting, and passing it. Luckily all it was was crap that the gov could already do, but just added more hoops to jump through before they could.

My big problem with america these days is no one will question what the gov is doing! Why all of a sudden is exercising your right to free speech and saying "Hey, maby detaining people without charges is wrong" and i dont mean the people in gitmo bay. There are still about 30 people being held, initally under ashcrofts orders, without any charges including a lawyer that took up one of the cases of these people without charges.

plumbob · « **Reply #79 on:** August 08, 2002, 02:29:20 AM »

Oh and those real liberals i was talkign about are the Libertarians, and the Social Democrats (the ladder i am a dues paying member of, and yes, im a US citizen)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #80 on:** August 08, 2002, 05:35:24 AM »

Udie and Wlfgng have hit the goldmine. The govt. is getting their way right now, they are slowing dwindling the checks and balances against THEM.

Damn right people have died for the freedoms we have and joining the NRA is not the answer. Continually NOT VOTING or vote wisely is the answer. Just like the majority of the Clinton bashers voted him in, in the first place. "The W" was the ONLY Rep. I voted for. I vote mosty Independant. Most people laugh, but it is my way of protesting the constant flow of crooks, drug users, and toejamheads who call themselves "politicians". Nowhere in the Constitution of The United States of America does it say VOTE REPUBLICAN or DEMOCRAT. The majority of the country has read something to that effect. They're all crooks.

I own a handgun, big deal? I won't use it unless I need too. If they become banned, someone stole it.

Veterans fallen and living Thank You for defending the "REAL United States", our rights.

Masher

SC-Sp00k · « **Reply #81 on:** August 08, 2002, 06:43:40 AM »

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Originally posted by Leslie
The best way to defend freedom in the United States is to become a member of the NRA and make contributions whenever possible. It's not about guns, it's about freedom.

Les

Heh Bama . Now THERES a can of worms begging to be opened.

Montezuma · « **Reply #82 on:** August 08, 2002, 11:54:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Speak up for the communists before it is too late?

If someone wants to be a communist, KKK member, or advocate repealing child-sex laws, that is their right in America. The FIRST AMENDMENT to the US Constitution protects these crazy folks from actions by the government for merely having a meeting or expressing their messed up opinions.

We also have the right to denounce and insult such people, as well as boneheads from little frozen wasteland countries who don't know a thing about the USA.

plumbob · « **Reply #83 on:** August 09, 2002, 01:19:40 AM »

Agreed masherbum, the gov is definetly chipping away at the checks and balances system.

Maverick · « **Reply #84 on:** August 09, 2002, 12:51:01 PM »

First let me say that I didn't read the entire article nor the posts here. I just want to give my opinion on suspension of freedoms.

The short version. roadkill!!!!

The long version. Suspending freedoms will do more to make this country a mockery of what the founders strove to produce. Those freedoms guaranteed by a constitution are the main feature that sets our country apart from a totalitarian regime anywhere on the globe. They are the basis and foundation of the lifestyle Americans take so foolishly for granted. They do not get the idea that if freedoms are suspended their lifestyles will end up being seriously curtailed "for the public good" which, of course, will be defined by someone else.

This society has been the recipient of a culture that has led them to think that the world "owes" them a peaceful exiistance and that any danger is a "voluntary" item. Sorry to disillusion you but the world does NOT owe anyone anything and is in fact a rather hazardous place to live. Deal with it or leave.

One of my favorite quotes is: "Life is a full contact sport, no one gets out alive."

Sandman · « **Reply #85 on:** August 09, 2002, 01:00:43 PM »

Give this man a cigar!

He gets it.

Maverick · « **Reply #86 on:** August 09, 2002, 02:58:53 PM »

Sandman, Those who have to take anothers liberty away, even temporarliy, often understand it's meaning far more than than the common "man". They are also closer to the victims than are others and have been victims many times themselves. Think about it.

PS one of the very first things we learned in training was that we no longer had first ammendment rights, just because of our job. We also lost a significant part of the 4th and fifth ammendments as well.

midnight Target · « **Reply #87 on:** August 09, 2002, 03:37:25 PM »

~~to you Mav. Well said sir.~~

Sandman · « **Reply #88 on:** August 09, 2002, 04:54:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Sandman, Those who have to take anothers liberty away, even temporarliy, often understand it's meaning far more than than the common "man". They are also closer to the victims than are others and have been victims many times themselves. Think about it.

PS one of the very first things we learned in training was that we no longer had first ammendment rights, just because of our job. We also lost a significant part of the 4th and fifth ammendments as well.

It's okay Mav... we can agree. You'll be okay...

Breathe...