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Offline Octavius

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« on: August 09, 2002, 08:29:10 PM »
Are they adjusted according to usage AND according to performance?

If so, then I suggest the P40E (ENY - 35) be raised a few points.

Other examples with ENY of 35:

190A8
P47D-25
P51B

IMO these other aircraft outclass (excluding the FM2) the P40E.  I understand most of the time its the pilot not the machine, but I base this from equal pilot skill (ie, octavius vs. octavius) and statistics and figures of each a/c.  

Other aircraft with higher ENY values, such as the 109G6 (ENY - 40) would outclass a P40E no problem.  The P40B model also has an ENY of 40.  Is this saying that the P40B and 109G6 have an equal shot at winning a 1v1?

I think usage and performance are definitely two factors in determining the ENY value.  What other factors are used if any?  


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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2002, 09:33:55 PM »
i THINK the ENY value of 35 for the P40E is mostly because its new... and therefore will get a bit more use than if it had been around 3-4 months..

BUT!! having said that.. I think the range of ENY values is getting cramped...


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« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2002, 10:59:51 PM »
P-P-P-PUNT!


You are right SKurj.  Highest ENY values go to the C47, 202, and Spitfire Mk I at 60.  Why not expand the entire scale to about 80?   or even 100?  More points = more fun :)
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« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2002, 05:28:21 AM »
Punt and add to that the 190F-8. ENY of 25. when the A8 at 35 does everything better and is more used.
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« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2002, 05:59:44 AM »
Who cares about ENY?  The only perk planes worth using are the chog and the me262.  The chog is so cheap you dont really need to fly high eny planes to afford it, and to me, the 262 isnt all that fun unless you have a lot of practice in it. (Odd catch22 I think)  ENY is pointless.

I understand that ENY and the perk system are to reward using early war planes,  judging by the usage of perk planes, it doesnt seem like much of a reward.  To me at least, being targeted by every plane within 6000yards isnt much of a reward.

As things stand now, the only reason to fly an early war plane, is for the sake of flying that plane.

Still, it would be nice to see an additional stat in the scores list(preferably affecting rank, though the dweebs will squeak)  A stat which would figure the ratio of perks given to perks earned.  To make flying low ENY planes not only earn you more perks, but show up on your score.  
i.e.
n1k2 kills f4u-1, f4u-1 gives n1k2 .25 perks.
f4u-1 kills n1k2,  n1k2 gives f4u-1 4 perks.

n1k2 has a ratio of .25 / 4 or .06.
The other way around, the f4u-1 would have a ratio of 4 / .25 or 16.

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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2002, 11:17:50 AM »
If you do not care for the ENY values or perk points in general, then these changes will not affect you in any way.  

ENY values are not strictly to reward those who fly early war planes.  Take a P51D and a P40E for example.  The P51D is considered (based on statistics/usage) to attain more kills and therefore has a lower ENY.  The P40E (based on statistics/usage) will not be able to attain as many kills and has a higher ENY.  In the end, they would balance out.  

eg.
P51D gets 4 kills and is awarded 5 perks.
P40E gets 2 kills and is awarded 5 perks.

(This would be based on all pilots having equal skill)



Your idea goes the same way.  Many could say "Who cares about score?"  I'm not saying its a bad idea though.  Wouldn't you need a combination for every plane vs all types?  And are these perk points based on the average perk points earned per sortie per player?  What about multiple kills/sortie?  It could be making the system we have now too complicated for practicality.  If I missed the boat, then explain a little more :)
« Last Edit: August 11, 2002, 11:36:59 AM by Octavius »
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« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2002, 01:00:15 PM »
My point is just that, given the current state of the perk planes, perks aren't much good.  Flying a perk plane should be fun, not a case of running from everyone in icon range, unless of course you're several thousand feet above everyone.  (This is mainly a whine about the gangbang tags on the f4u4, 152, spit14, and the tempest)  When the perk planes aren't worth flying, the whole system is meaningless.

The stat is just a ratio of perks earned to perks given, ignoring the end-of-sortie multipliers.
perks given = your killers eny /  your eny
perks earned = your eny / your victims eny
ratio = perks earned / perks given