Author Topic: It must really suck to...well...suck. (Read 409 times)

Apache · « **Reply #15 on:** August 15, 2002, 01:31:48 PM »

I understand your point DJ and give 6 calls as I can. In this case, just as I come out of a wingover and look over my right wing, I see this guy blowing up so I for one didn't have a chance to assist him. As for anyone else, I can't say.

Although I guess I could have told him it "was" a P38 but I don't think that would have helped much at the time. He wasn't to keen on listening, lol.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #16 on:** August 15, 2002, 01:39:30 PM »

Ya, I know Apache. Its easy to see how its just not possible to give a check 6 in time. I know how you play in the arena well enough to know what you would or wouldn't do there. This other individual obviously did not.

Not many people understand that it isn't always easy to give a 6 call in time.

What really disappoints me in these threads is a mentality that I see virtually everywhere I go. The "its not my job so why should I bother" mentality.

Oh well... you get used to that in the MA too.

AKDejaVu

J_A_B · « **Reply #17 on:** August 15, 2002, 01:47:02 PM »

"What really disappoints me in these threads is a mentality that I see virtually everywhere I go. The "its not my job so why should I bother" mentality. "

Well, which would you rather see? That on the BBS, or some guy in-game who thinks it IS everyone's job ranting and whining like a fool because he died?

J_A_B

ghostdancer · « **Reply #18 on:** August 15, 2002, 02:18:20 PM »

AKDejaVu I disagree with your assessment of this thread. Except for a few, I don't think people are saying "its not my job so why should I bother" what they are saying is its not a god given right to chew other people out for not giving you a check six. Everyone is busy flying their own plane and in many cases a person simply spots something too late to give a check six call or they haven't figured out how to do so (was my case 1 year ago and I am still not clear how to target the right person for one when their is a pack of people in my view .. so I end up giving them to a ton of people to make sure the right guys gets it) or they might have their own problem like trying to keep their plane in the air while part of a wing is blown off or something.

What I think most people here are saying is that they do their best to give a check six when then can but if they don't that it does not give the other person the right to start cussing somebody out on open channel, private channel, or following them around and harassing them.

When I fly my focus is on wingman first, my squadmates next, and my countrymen third and I do my best as others do to warn people when I can but you simply can't do it all the time.

And yes, there will always be people who don't give it no matter what just like their will be people that will follow your kill to the ground pumping lead into it to try to get credit, or shooting over your shoulder, or cutting in front of you. It happens and the only real thing you can do about it is make sure they are not in your squad and then just ignore it instead of getting angry about it.

easymo · « **Reply #19 on:** August 15, 2002, 02:20:44 PM »

You can turn off everything except the country channel. This is a source of constant irritation for me. We have a 6 call button. There is no reason to make us read the sophomoric nonsense that shows up in there all the time.

jonnyb · « **Reply #20 on:** August 15, 2002, 02:34:24 PM »

You die because you weren't intelligent enough to look out your own back window, it's your fault. Plain and simple. Ranting and raving to your countrymates about how they failed in their duties to warn you of imminent danger will do nothing except make them even more likely not to warn you in the future.

Stop complaining to everyone else about your complete lack of situational awareness. Certainly stop complaining over the vox because there are actually people who may be using it to call and identify targets. Use your eyes. That's what they are there for.

MrLars · « **Reply #21 on:** August 15, 2002, 03:33:51 PM »

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Originally posted by J_A_B
The CHECK6 "feature" is IMO the most worthless
I guess, in response to DejaVu, I don't view them as a courtesy, but as an annoyance.

J_A_B

And you sir, are a member of a VERY small minority that feels this way.

AKDejaVu · « **Reply #22 on:** August 15, 2002, 03:49:20 PM »

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Originally posted by ghostdancer
AKDejaVu I disagree with your assessment of this thread. Except for a few, I don't think people are saying "its not my job so why should I bother" what they are saying is its not a god given right to chew other people out for not giving you a check six.

I never defended the person's actions. I think he was comletely in the wrong. But then people show up with militant "its your own damn fault" and "why should I call someone's 6?" mentalities. Those are the ones that drive comments such as the one I made here.

Someone didn't get a check 6 and acted like an ass. That's all there is to it in that regard.

A bunch of people take that and use it as some kind of proof of something in regards to the "check 6" feature citing all sorts of reasons why people wouldn't or shouldn't give 6 calls. Thats the norm in that regard.

AKDejaVu

Seagoon · « **Reply #23 on:** August 15, 2002, 04:54:34 PM »

C'mon guys, what really amazes me is that hardly anyone has actually mentioned the fact that blowing up over a stupid game is highly inappropriate and immature, and swearing over an open channel is just plain wrong.

With all the just plain sick and twisted games out there, I'd love it if I could recommend AH as a challenging historical multiplayer flight sim to kids, but of late the kind of language that gets typed or spoken in the MA makes that impossible. I wish that wasn't the case. In what way is our gaming experience improved by having to deal with foulmouthed hotheads?

- Seagoon

Raubvogel · « **Reply #24 on:** August 15, 2002, 05:04:27 PM »

I'm assuming you're talking about that "Gol4" guy Apache? I was right north of him when it happened. It was pretty funny how wrapped around the axle he was. He definitely needed a time out. I just squelched and moved on.

Swager · « **Reply #25 on:** August 15, 2002, 05:11:32 PM »

Apache.

I was in a turn and burn at about 2K feet and seen red and green icons flash by. Ya know, your are trying to keep in the turn, plus watch your up and back view. Well I got out of it and was leveling off when I get two quick "Check 6" calls. So without looking I go into a tight climbing turn and look behind me. Nothing!

I level out again. Again I get 2 "Check 6" calls from the same guy. Once again I go into a turn to aviod. Once again there is nothing on my 6.

I receive a private message from this (guy, kid, boy) "That's how you use a 6 call, Swagger"

Huh?

This twit goes on telling me I did not call a 6 for him right before he got shot down! I told him I did not see anything and if I did I would call it. He told me BS and I'm a liar!

Now Apache you know me. I call a 6 anytime I see a person in possible danger. Why do people have to be like this? Because they have to lash out at someone! They failed, so they want to blame someone else!

Well next time this certain guy, boy, or kid acussed me of not calling a 6 for him, he'll be correct!! I will sit there and watch him die.

Shallow little basitage, aint I??

Kanth · « **Reply #26 on:** August 15, 2002, 05:57:44 PM »

I always squelch that guy, he drives me up the friggen wall.

There are a few people that never shut up on local, for any reason..you'll get used to who they are and learn to squelch them..

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Originally posted by Raubvogel
I'm assuming you're talking about that "Gol4" guy Apache? I was right north of him when it happened. It was pretty funny how wrapped around the axle he was. He definitely needed a time out. I just squelched and moved on.

J_A_B · « **Reply #27 on:** August 15, 2002, 07:22:20 PM »

"And you sir, are a member of a VERY small minority that feels this way."

I know, but when has THAT ever stopped me?

J_A_B

Puke · « **Reply #28 on:** August 15, 2002, 07:43:32 PM »

Another problem with the Check 6 feature, at least in my case, is that I use it on the conservative side and so won't always give people a Check 6 if I'm unsure of the situation. This is because there have been several times I'm lining up a shot on an enemy aircraft to receive a Check 6 from someone and so I have to break and look to see what's behind me to find nothing and realize my country-mate thinks the bandit in front of me was on my six and by then I've lost my firing solution. So I'm careful to actually understand what I'm seeing before I give a Check 6 lest I ruin a shot for someone. I'm sure I'm not perfect at it though and there have been times I grumble to myself about the lack of assisting each other.

poopster · « **Reply #29 on:** August 15, 2002, 08:10:22 PM »

So I'm hairballin over an enemy CV group in a Spit V, bagged 2 or 3 planes and 2 or 3 PT boats. I'm ravo ranchero's to the wall on the deck gettin out of Dodge as fast as the V will let me, clear the mass, base in site motivating just off the water...

Get two CHECK SIX messages from the same guy, scissor hard looking back and there's no one there...NOBODY. Snap to the forward view just as my wing hits the water.........

The look on my dogs face when I busted out the kitchen door lookin for him was pathetic...the poor bastage.........

Country voice channel is set up as my "space" key. It's the biggest one there. I six call in voice. The key call is dangerous.