P51d vs La7

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Alpo
Any help from the pony drivers out there would be duly appreciated.

Others have said it........ but you can out turn him and sustain e better in slow energy sapping manouvers............

As you start sissors...........

He should nose up to high yoyo or just to use alt gain to keep e and you on his low 12 without over shooting........... (during this manouver he loses sight of you)

If he slows behind your sissors then he has either made a mistake, is about to spray you with the little ammo he has or he has help coming and he is just holding you there........

If he starts to follow your sissors then convert them to rolling asap to avoid  his snap shots.......also if he should follow the rolling sissors he will be forced to lag your roll or drain excesive e  pulling for a shot........in this instance the La7 pilot has made a major mistake against nearly all AC with equal or better roll/turn capability (cos they all hold e in manouver better than he does) you should actually shoot this guy down.

[HoHun]

Hi Tilt,

>Guess you mean mid Oct 44?  I thought Hartmans gruppe operated South & East of Warsaw in mid/late 44.....in which case he would not have seen one (La7) until September at the earliest.

No, 1943 is correct :-) As I said, subtype recognition didn't really work.

When was the La-7 used in squadron strength for the first time?

Regards,

Henning (HoHun)

[Naudet]

Kuben, your own data seems a little bit "unreliable". Cause beside the statements proved as wrong by Kweassa, Puke & Karnak, the following is also wrong.

The Fw-190 was designed as a high speed gun platform to destroy allied bombers, the plane was designed accordingly and as a result it has difficulty in turn fights due to wing design etc. It has weakness due to design!

The construction of the FW190 started way back into 1937 when Kurt Tabk had the idea of an fighter plane with exellent handling and maintance charactersitics.
Prototpye flew in 1939, 1st production run in early 1941.

That was all way before any four engined buff hit germany.

The FW190 was build primarily as a fighter. That it was the 1st real multitrole plane of WW2 (fighter, interceptor, bomberdestroyer, ground attack plane, tank killer) just showed that Kurt Tank had developed an exellent, highly versatile fighter plane design.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by HoHun
Hi Tilt,
When was the La-7 used in squadron strength for the first time?

There was a small part regiment trial in late May 44 (with prototypes of mixed La 5/7 assembly lineage) but true Squadron strength La 7 June 44 during Belgration (North of Minsk)for front line assessment which continues till early/mid July 44. Other squadrons started to reiceive in mid July to mix with their La5FN's.

I think a full squad was kitted out on the Southern front for August and then the production was upto full speed intime for the Lvov offensive which ran thru to mid October.

In 43 the La 7 not only did not exist the numeric "7" was not anticipated. Indeed when Lavochkin did the 2nd development prototype in March 44 it was called "La5 1944". In 43 Lavochkin still seems to be hoping for more engine development....... the initial TsaGi work (called la5 FN 206)was only carried out when it was clear that lavochkin was stuck with the Ash82

http://www.btinternet.com/~fulltilt/deshist.html

[Angus]

I'd try and lure the La into a turnfight, - in a slow turn with some flaps deployed I'd put my money on the P51, only by a margin though.
If you  have problems with the La's, try fighting them with a Yak, not that is one hell of a La killer, hehe

[Soda]

You know what haunts too many P-51 drivers vs. the La7, they dive.  The worst thing you can do is dive since the La7 is an excellent diver and the lower the altitude more advantage the La7 has.  At 9K the La7 can't catch a P-51, maybe even a little lower.

I think it comes from the fact that against almost every other plane a dive like that is effective, so they package that as the "runstang-escape".  Problem is, it doesn't work with the La7 and you need to try something else.

I think the P-51 out-turns the La7 anyway if you use your flaps properly and the firepower on the P-51 is far better suited to snapshots and longer ranged shots than the La7's.  The Pony is in every way a better plane overall.

-Soda
The Assassins.

[Urchin]

La7 has better snapshot capability, as far as I am concerned.  3x20mm beats 6x.50 in a snapshot any day of the week.  For long range shooting I'd give the edge to the .50s tho.

[Shane]

Originally posted by Urchin
La7 has better snapshot capability, as far as I am concerned.  3x20mm beats 6x.50 in a snapshot any day of the week.  For long range shooting I'd give the edge to the .50s tho.

i honestly give the edge to the la7, barely, for its guns, speed and acceleration.  the pony can hold a turn with the flaps, but the la7 has the acceleration to defeat them...  it's a fairly even matchup where it comes down to the pilot, not the plane per se - 2 equal pilots, i'd give a tiny edge to the la7, or rather first to make a mistake will die.

[Soda]

Urchin,
  I disagree and think the 50's are better.  Unless you are a very good shot with the La7 you are going to have serious problems with any sort of tough shot, or one at range.  The La7's cannons just fire all over the place unless you are almost point blank.  Point blank I agree the 20mm's are better, but under any other condition the 50's are superior.  Volume of fire, accuracy of fire, range, etc... all favor the 50.  Even in a snapshot landing 10 50's hits is often better than 1-2 20mm.  More criticals.  Sure, it isn't always instant death like a point blank 20mm broadside, but the writing is on the wall when those 50's start slamming home.

Round for round the 20mm's are better when they hit, but that's only part of the puzzle.

-Soda
The Assassins.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Karnak
The F4U-4 is....Hell, I have no idea why the F4U-4 is perked.

<---typing withnbroken hand, been grou nded all summer

The hog 4 need not be perked,but it a monster---as are all corsairs and other heavy US planes when flown within their envelope. Few see the hog-4's advantages because most fights are below 15k, and below 10 is furball, die-get-an-la7-reup-and-run-your-killer-down territory. Even the hog-1 is a killer if kept over 15k and flown wisely. Point being, the planes that are perked may not offset the "dynamics" in the MA, save the 262, because IMO-ALL perked planes are high-alt aircraft (I may  be wrong, I only began typing this week, let alone been playing).

un-perk the 152, hogs, and Spit14, and Perk the La-7's and these other planes any newbie can sit in and rtb 5+ kills a sortie, and not only would you see a big change in fighting tactics, but I believe the skills of everyone would get better as well, and we woldn't see these new guys flying the same planes and not getting any better with more challenging rides...

[J_A_B]

You've never played in the H2H rooms then, have you?  

99% spit14's and tempests.


J_A_B