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Offline Hangtime

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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2002, 05:04:32 PM »
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I do have alot of respect for the men that went without question, served our country(Even Al, although thats the only respect I'd give him)


Rip, you bonehaid, I have a lot more respect for those that went, and did so WITH QUESTION, and with reservations, but went because they recognized their obligation to serve the nation when called.

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This serves two aims- first, it undermines support for the largely republican effort to go into Iraq, and; it brings up the unsavory past of an elected official right before election.


An interesting collision of concepts there, Kieran.. I think I see your point; but allow me to comment that any elected politican with an 'unsavory' past deserves to have that info trotted out for public inspection and remonstration forthwith!

If it's partisan politics as usual, I got no intrest in it at all. In this circumstance, Iraq has violated just about every single point of settlement agreed to at the last cessation of open hostilities, and I was pissed at Clinton for not enforcing that treaty in detail. It don't matter a freakin bit who's for it, or against it. What matters is, Saddam the TowelHeaded GoatPorker needs his bellybutton kicked for violating that treaty.

Lets just get it done, so we can get on with our oft-delayed plans for nuking Paris.
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2002, 05:15:16 PM »
Hang, might i suggest getting the DVD of Armageddon and replaying that Paris vs.  Asteroid scene for your enjoyment. Works for me.

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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2002, 05:29:11 PM »
That wuz the best part in the whole freakin movie.

I'd pay handsomely for the Paris scene as a poster. :D
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2002, 05:39:33 PM »
While looking for a picture I stumbled across this from a review of the movie:

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It reduces "saving the world" to a goal which will earn its characters hero status. Consider a scene where a large asteroid fragment hits Paris, destroying half the city. Does anyone seem to care? Nope; it's just an excuse for a "really cool special effect."



ROFL

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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2002, 06:00:29 PM »
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Yeah, Viet Nam was such a patriotic war for us too (rolls eyes), however, I do have alot of respect for the men that went without question, served our country(Even Al, although thats the only respect I'd give him)...


Gore was a stars & stripes "journalist" when in country.  this job was arranged by his father, senator gore, B4 gore jr. joined up.  i'm sure little al was very brave dinking bourbon & water (lots of water) behind a desk on a well defended military installation in south vietnam.  he got a few pix of himself holding an M-16 near some tall grass, but these are not indicative of his service.

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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2002, 06:15:03 PM »
However I may feel about Al.  He is a Vietnam Vet. Period.

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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2002, 07:04:13 PM »
I agree easymo.  He might have been an REMF, but he still went.

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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2002, 10:59:11 PM »
a quote from the article..."Otherwise, it starts with the president, who missed Vietnam by securing a cushy number in the Texas air national guard after (so everyone assumes) his congressman father pulled strings to get him in."

Dan Quayle also was derided for his service in the Indiana National Guard when he was VP, and it just seems there are those who believe  that serving our nation in the National Guard is somewhat questionable in the honor department.

Just a few facts:

The 1960's began with a partial mobilization of the National Guard as part of the U.S. response to the Soviet Union's building of the Berlin Wall. Although none left the United States, nearly 45,000 Army Guardsmen spent a year in Active Federal Service.

As the decade progressed, President Lyndon Johnson made the fateful political decision not to mobilize the Reserves to fight the Vietnam War, but to rely on the draft instead. But when the bombshell of the Viet Cong Tet Offensive struck in 1968, 34 Army National Guard units found themselves alerted for active duty, eight of which served in South Vietnam.

During the Vietnam war, almost 23,000 Army and Air Guardsmen were called up for a year of active duty; some 8,700 were deployed to Vietnam.

Twenty Army National Guard units from 17 states were mobilized for service in the Vietnam War on May 13th 1968. Company D (Ranger) of the 151st Infantry, Indiana Army National Guard arrived in country in December of that year. The Indiana Rangers were assigned reconnaissance and intelligence-gathering missions. Operating deep in enemy territory, Ranger patrols engaged enemy units while conducting raids, ambushes and surveillance missions. "Delta Company" achieved an impressive combat record; unit members earned 510 medals for valor and service.

Air National Guard units began flying supply missions to Vietnam in 1965, and the Air Guard was mobilized twice during the Vietnam War.

In May 1968 one aeromedical airservice group and two tactical fighter groups were federalized. Four tactical fighter squadrons--the 120th (Colorado), 174th (Iowa), 188th (New Mexico), and 136th (New York)--deployed to Vietnam. And although not a Guard unit, the Guard can claim credit for a fifth squadron, the 3755th: 85 percent of this tactical fighter squadron's personnel were Air Guard volunteers from New Jersey and the District of Columbia.

In April 1967, the North Carolina Air National Guard made its first C-124 flight to Cam Rahn Bay, Vietnam. Between January 1964 when the unit was designated the 145th Air Transport Group (Heavy) and then redesignated the 145th Tactical Airlift Group in May 1971, the unit accomplished a great deal. They airlifted over 23 million ton miles of cargo, 18 1/2 million passenger miles, 1.1 million patient miles, and over 11 million miles with a safety record of over 65,000 hours without an aircraft accident.

Seems like guardsman have contributed a full measure of devotion to the cause.  Next time you read an article like this, keep in mind that the names of guardsmen are etched on the wall.
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2002, 01:32:42 AM »
He might have been an REMF

If they figure out what that means, your dead:)

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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2002, 01:51:10 AM »
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