Author Topic: The Mosquito is too fragile and too flamable (Read 918 times)

J_A_B · « **Reply #30 on:** August 26, 2002, 07:40:20 PM »

Sounds great. See ya in the DA at 9:00 PM

J_A_B

whgates3 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 26, 2002, 08:00:57 PM »

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If durability is figured by the loss rate factor, then the Mossie must be extremely durable. It had the lowest loss rate of all the bombers in WW2, a reason why their crews loved them.

probably the Mosquito's survivability had a lot more to do w/ it's very high top speed than physical toughness

-tronski- · « **Reply #32 on:** August 27, 2002, 12:18:04 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Well, the P-38 was made 'noticably tougher' after a not inconsiderable amount of whining.

Toughen it up to Karnaks 'Historical' level, and wait for the now my 30mm is nerfed when i hit the mossie blah blah blah threads.

Unfortunately, a AH mosquito may or may not be as robust as a real mossie, but thats because AH isnt real....

From what I've seen, it seems ok...nothing glaring anyhow

-tron-

Czpetr · « **Reply #33 on:** August 27, 2002, 08:44:30 AM »

I agree with Karnak. Mosquito seems to be too fragile and flammable. I have seen a photo of Mosquito being hit by two 30mm shells (into right wing and tail) from Me262 which returned safely home. Of course, it doesn`t mean that every Mosquito could survive 2x 30mm hits anytime, but at least it means that it was able to survive it sometimes. Something that never happens in AH. There are more planes which could be more resistant than they are in AH. Il2 comes in my mind first e.g. ...

czpetr

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #34 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:02:40 PM »

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I agree with Karnak. Mosquito seems to be too fragile and flammable. I have seen a photo of Mosquito being hit by two 30mm shells (into right wing and tail) from Me262 which returned safely home.

sheisse if i kannot zhoot it zown with zwei roundzs it zucks

Karnak · « **Reply #35 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:23:27 PM »

Here is a phot of a Mosquito that would be impossible to land in AH. I've tried landing Mossquitoes with sever wing damage in AH, they are unflyable below 250mph.

Mitsu · « **Reply #36 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:35:16 PM »

Ki-67 is also a bit flamable.

A6M Zekes should be able to fly without 1/2 wing easily.

Seriously, a lot of ZEKEs could return to base without 1/2 wing...

also I wonder La-5/La-7 can fly so easily with 1/2 wing...

Wotan · « **Reply #37 on:** August 27, 2002, 02:56:46 PM »

karnak when the mossie first came out i landed with a missingwing tip.

turned off combat trim shifted all trim to opposite side

pushed elevator trim all the way up.

but i have landed a 109e this was as well when others say its impossible.

when i land i dont try to line up on the run way just get close to a friendly base and use my throttle to "fall to the deck" keeping the plane nose level and open gear at last sec. Then drive up on runway to end flight.

I havent flown it since then. In mho the mossie in every flight sim I have played has been an easy kill. And when folks were hyped up about it coming to ah I killed 10 straight with np. The 3 times i flew it I got 5 kills 1 sortie 1 I was killed by ack the last time i got 2 kills lost a wingtip to a b26 and rtb'd. It kinda confirmed what I already thought of it.

A typical case of a planed that performed its roll really well in realife but when inserted into a main arena enviroment it fails to live up to the hype. Kinda like the jug in ah.

Thats not to say it isnt fun or enjoyable. Afterall, thats all that matters.

Karnak · « **Reply #38 on:** August 27, 2002, 03:31:44 PM »

Wotan,

When I tried it I trimmed the same as you, but couldn't get slow enough to lower the gear without rolling over and heading for the ground.

I was at a higher altitude field, thin air might have been the problem.

I enjoy the Mosquito in AH and have no problem getting a positive K/D ratio in it. However, its durability, and especially its flamability, don't seem to match the reality.

It does much better in a 1943 setting. It would also do much better in a setting where its opponents were historical. Even in 1944, the vast, vast majority of Fw190s were A series. In AH if I see a 190 I can safely bet $10 that it is a Fw190D-9. And this is ignore the fact that the Mossie has to deal with P-51s, Typhoons, Yak-9Us and La-7s in the MA, aircraft that it never had to deal with in WWII.

palef · « **Reply #39 on:** August 27, 2002, 06:24:57 PM »

HoHun - bakelite is an early plastic. If you've ever seen the inside of a 1950's American car, you'll notice radio control knobs, window winder knobs, dashboard inlays, etc, are of a an ivory coloured material. That's bakelite. It goes brittle with age and cracks.

palef

Shiva · « **Reply #40 on:** August 27, 2002, 08:29:46 PM »

I think it would be nice -- and it should be simple enoug to implement -- if we had the bomber version of the Mossie as well; the external modelling would be pretty simple -- make the end of the nose transparent -- but HTC'd still have to model the bombardier position. Then you have two loadout options -- half the weapons of the FB version and a 2,000 pound bomb load, or no weapons and a 4,000 pound bomb load (which includes the 4,000-pound 'cookie' bomb).

HoHun · « **Reply #41 on:** August 28, 2002, 05:01:12 AM »

Hi Palef,

>HoHun - bakelite is an early plastic.

Thanks for the confirmation! I wasn't sure it had the same name in English as in German.

Plastic-impregmated plywood was used in the construction of the Lavochkin fighters for example, so the German test included this technique with good reason.

By the way, Karnak's Mosquito photo illustrates the cracking problem indicated by the German report: The lower surface of the outer wing came off due to this, far beyond the wing portion that's actually missing. Fortunately for the crew, the cracks were stopped by the drop tank rack which served as reinforcement.

Regards,

Henning

whgates3 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 28, 2002, 05:24:41 AM »

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Fortunately for the crew, the cracks were stopped by the drop tank rack which served as reinforcement.

i wonder if that was an intention of the designer or a happy accident...BTW there is a not bad movie based loosely on Geofrey DeHavilland (David Lean movie i think) called "The Sound Barrier"

Sachs · « **Reply #43 on:** August 28, 2002, 08:28:16 PM »

I agree with the EZ flames on the mossie. I would liek to note that the 110 G-2 also becomes a nice lighter. Still puzzled by all this. Please read my 190 post