Author Topic: Revisiting the F4U-4 perk cost debate (Read 1315 times)

BTOgb · « **Reply #30 on:** September 18, 2002, 05:15:01 PM »

Here is a list of the F4U's climbing ft per minute:
F4U-1 series all about 3,000-3,250
F4U-4:4,170

P38L:2,800

ok the P38 out climbs the f4u's in Aces High doesnt it? i certainly hope not if anything should be perked is the 109 G10 which is one of the fastest plane climbing and leveled out at high altitude.
Also the Damage that the Corsair's can take is up there along with the P47 from what I've heard but anyhow in Aces High the are shot off so easily with a few shots boom there goes the wing. I think that the F4u4 and p47 should take more damage then what they do now I have heard some pretty incredible stories of the damage these planes can take and as far as reducing the perks on the F4u4 i Agree. The Corsair is the plane i fly the most out of anything all day everyday. I hope soon the F4U4 perks will be reduced

BTW... about the guns 50 cals on the F4U but.. to me they seem a bit on the weak side compared to um.. P51's 50's

BTOgb

Puke · « **Reply #31 on:** September 18, 2002, 05:47:20 PM »

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Also the Damage that the Corsair's can take is up there along with the P47 from what I've heard but anyhow in Aces High the are shot off so easily with a few shots boom there goes the wing.

Exactly. The F4U-1 loses one of its wings if a Spit or N1K even looks its way.

The P47 seems a very durable aircraft in AH, though I've never flown it. I do recall one encounter vs a P47 in my P51B that I unloaded about 70% of my ammo into a P47 and got hit-sprites galore and he never went down. Now that I think of it, this was a couple weeks ago and weren't we dealing with lost packets or something then? Maybe that was it.

-ammo- · « **Reply #32 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:01:36 PM »

climb

-ammo- · « **Reply #33 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:02:16 PM »

speed

-ammo- · « **Reply #34 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:08:43 PM »

characteristics

Vladd · « **Reply #35 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:21:16 PM »

Without the Perk tag in the MA, the F4U4 would be exceptionally effective. Yes, the La7 is faster down low, but you can say that about almost any plane in the set. The G10 may climb faster but lets be honest, in pretty much all other respects the -4 will trounce the LW fighter. Flying the Uterus map at the weekend, I saw many fights start around 15-20k. At this alt or above the -4 should be able to beat almost anything. And it would, but for the gangbang icon.

Actually I'd like to see almost all perk planes lose the gangbang tag - label TEMP as TYPH, 152 as 190, Spit14 as Spit etc.

About the only planes who should keep the tag are the jets. For the rest, a perk cost which seems too high at present would actually be OK in this kind of environment. Change the tag and the price is right...

Vladd

Wilbus · « **Reply #36 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:34:42 PM »

Ammo, where did you get that last page from? A book? Would be nice to know, I want it

One more question, something I don't understand, then again, I've never been very smart.

Why post a WB vs R/L chart here?

Wilbus · « **Reply #37 on:** September 18, 2002, 06:50:59 PM »

Ammo, if I've understood the climbing chart correct, it states that the maximum climb rate of the F4u-4 was 4800 feet/min, which is, afaik very wrong.

The Initial climb rate for the F4u-4, acording to my sources and foremost a very exelent book from the "Warbird tech Series", "Volume 4: Vought F4u Corsair" the maximum climb rate of the F4u-4 was 3870 feet/min, it's also suported by this internet site amongst others.

The only production F4u to reach climb rate over 4000 feet/min was the post war F2G-2 which reached 4,400 feet/min however it was slower then the F4u4. max speed of F2G-2 was 431 mph at 16,400 feet.

The F2G-2 was made due to the navy wanted a fast climbing fighter that could get to altitude fast and engage kamikaze attack planes.

Not sure, but as far as I understand, and the sources I have, it seems to be a myth that the U4 could climb with 4,800 feet per minute.

Not an attack on you Ammo.

-ammo- · « **Reply #38 on:** September 18, 2002, 08:40:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Wilbus
Ammo, where did you get that last page from? A book? Would be nice to know, I want it

One more question, something I don't understand, then again, I've never been very smart.

Why post a WB vs R/L chart here?

becuase the RL numbers are referenced. just ignore the WB's stats.

-ammo- · « **Reply #39 on:** September 18, 2002, 08:57:58 PM »

wil, NP. I picked up thie pdf file another website (looking for the link now. It had declassified charts for the f4F, F6F, P-51, F4U...

in the meanwhile, here is the charts for the F4U-4, to include the original cimb and sopeed charts (which show a 4750 fpm initial climbrate). NOW THAT would be a perk F4U-4:)

F4U-4

-ammo- · « **Reply #40 on:** September 18, 2002, 09:06:01 PM »

found the link. Bunch of goodies here

Wilbus · « **Reply #41 on:** September 18, 2002, 09:32:05 PM »

OHOH HOT DAMN!

Now that's an F4u I want!

Ok, so what's the real difference, you know that? Obviously there were F4U-4's with less performance (3,900 feet/min climb) and then these ones. Different engine?

Personally I think the F4u-4 in AH should be remodelled, a 1k per min/extra climb would make it real worth the perks, and more.

Thanks ALOT for the links ammo

Wilbus · « **Reply #42 on:** September 18, 2002, 09:35:40 PM »

Ok, sorry but why hasn't anyone pointed this out before? It has to have been known.

If it's porked, then why hasn't anyone said so? You allied dweebs gotto get louder about such things. If it's not porked, then request the better one

-ammo- · « **Reply #43 on:** September 18, 2002, 10:12:32 PM »

well, I am not the big F4U fan, but its a nice AC and I believe all AH AC should be modeled to most accurate, representative info available. So, I guess I could email that pdf file to pyro. I wonder if F4UDOA hasn't already done so?

-ammo- · « **Reply #44 on:** September 18, 2002, 10:17:19 PM »

BTW, the fella has those charts on a geocities web space. When the page takes a bunch of hits, it gives you a mesage that its exceeded its allowable traffic for a given period of time. Kind of aggravating:)