Why fly perk planes?

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Karnak
Wotan,

I agree with you that any perk fighter (except perhaps the F4U-4 and F4U-1C) is more than a match for any non-perk fighter..

You dont think the perked corsairs can hang 1-1 with any non-perked ride?

If thaty is the case, I gotta know, Respectfully, what planet are you originally from?  

[Innominate]

Originally posted by Red Tail 444


You dont think the perked corsairs can hang 1-1 with any non-perked ride?

Sure they can.  However, what makes them different is that thier performance is very similar to non-perked planes.  (p51d, and f4u1d)   Both need to remain perked because of thier rarity, but the gangbang tags on the f4u4 make it a difficult plane to survive in.  The perked nature of the F4U-1C, without gangbang tags is what contributes to it's high kill ratio.

I'd like to see what the kill ratio of the la7 would be if it cost 10perks.

[Red Tail 444]

Originally posted by Innominate
I'd like to see what the kill ratio of the la7 would be if it cost 10perks.

Me too..

Off topic question...I wonder if HTC can model collisions with enemy A/C as a 60 minute penalty after a grace period for new pilots?

Gainsie <---rammed far too often by .....well, enemy planes

[SirLoin]

I don't like the perk tags at all.Why can't we try this out in the CT to see how people like it?..

[Karnak]

GRUNHERZ,

You didn't insult my flying capabilities (or my lack of them as the case may be).

You came off as an absolutely arrogant love muffin and are now upset because you got called on it.  Mark Luper called you on it before I did.  If you can't take that kind of crap, don't start it.

You know I know that you are heavily in to the Luftwaffe superiority mythos and see yourself as such.  That is what I was ridiculing you for. Nothing Nazi, just seeing yourself as some paragon of air combat, who can toss off the answers with flipant remarks and insulting terms.

[runny]

Originally posted by Innominate
JAB, While it is true that you'll get ganged no matter what you fly, it happens more so in a perk plane.  The difference is that, people will drop what they're doing to chase down a perk plane, or go after the perk plane instead of another one who they have a bigger advantage over.

I believe the technical term for this maneuver is "drag."  At least, that's what *I* do when I have a large number of enemies on my tail, and a large number of unoccupied friendlies nearby.  Your mileage may vary.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by runny


I believe the technical term for this maneuver is "drag."  At least, that's what *I* do when I have a large number of enemies on my tail, and a large number of unoccupied friendlies nearby.  Your mileage may vary.

I've found that counting on help from someone who doesnt say they're activly helping you is suicide.  If you have squadmates nearby that will work, but the vast majority of players are content to watch you get shot down, if it means they'll get an easy shot.

[GRUNHERZ]

And I explained my motives to Mark very clearly. I hope you read my response to him before you engaged in this tirade of name calling. If I was really so arrogant and bull-headed I wouldn't care about "being called for it", or anyone's concerns about my comments.  I meant what I wrote as a play on how you responded to Wotan's criticism - turning around your contention that Wotan's perk arguments were less valid because he was an experienced and/or above average pilot. I just proposed your comments were invalid because you were,  by your own comments and admissions, a below average or average pilot- at least one who flew so little and/or so poorly he had trouble gaining perk points in AH.  

However I can see how you missed my point in your arrogant Japanese militarist fanatic zeal.... So I apologize.

[Karnak]

I did read your response to Mark Luper.  It was effectively stating that you don't have a realistic view on what the average is.

The average player in AH gets about a 1/1 kill death ratio.  I do a bit better than that.  Wotan does better than me (based on his statements of his mission results I guessed he was better than his stats showed him to be) and thus does not have a perfectly balanced view of the perk system.  Somebody who claims it is easy to land 15 perk points every flight is obviously out of touch with the average player.

For every boastful player I have seen laud himself about how many points he gets and how easy they are to get, I have seen several players asking how to land more than 2 or 3.  To me this says that for many, if not most, players it is not easy to land 15 perk points.

I stand by my contention that the average player cannot simply earn a Tempest each night, nor even come close.  To the average player a Tempest means many night's work is being put up into the gangbang, and being average they are far poorer equipped to survive the gangbang.

FWIW, you seemed to have persisted in missing the point that I can fly any aircraft I wish, whenever I wish.  I do not have excessive difficulty earning perk points in AH.

I ignored your Japanese quip because it was irrelevant.

[GRUNHERZ]

If you dont have trouble earning masses of perk points then why do you whine about perk costs or tearfully state that you only have 230 perk points as a part of your argument.

If you are so good at gathering truckloads of perkpoints in all these planes you so skilfully fly then just go about doing that and please stop whining.

However, I do think its unfair for many low time pilots who have trouble earing enough perks quickly to fly the fancy late war monsters and I would love if HTC could give us one night every month when perks were free to all so everyone could at least have a go at them.

I don't understand your incositency here. At one point you are the poor downtrodden average skill player who has difficulty landing sorties much less perk points - then on the other turn you have no problems earing perk points.

So which is it? Are you the average pilot struggling to maintain barely 200 perks or some aerial magician who has no trouble bagging them by the bucketload?


Now on tho this....

"Karnak is my left wing commie sob  buddy here and I was giving him bit of a hard time since he made a big point that Wotan's skill level gave him an unrealistic perspective with the perkplanes. So I just turned it around at Karnak as a friendy remark of course.
Innominate I wish I found more of those La7s that just stop chasing me after they begin closing, it just don't happend that often. They keep coming if they are closing the gap. My point was to set up your attacks so that they dont have a chance to even begin to close. Then it doesnt matter how they behave or what you are flying. "


So where in this do show a lack of touch with the average AH player?  Don't tell me posting tactical suggestions based on my experience is a sign of that? And why the hell do you think you are more in touch with them, or is that just a part of your standard left wing propaganda training that crept its way into our discussion?

[Karnak]

GRUN,

The only problem I have with perk planes (and I have stated this consistantly, in every thread about this subject) is the perk icons.  It makes the perk planes no fun to fly for me.  I don't try any harder to stay alive in perk planes than I do in free planes (I always take off with the intent of landing at the end of the sortie), but others try much harder to kill me.  I don't think that the Ta152H-1, Spitfire Mk XIV or F4U-4 perform that much better.  It is easier to survive in a free aircraft that people don't make the extra, often suicidal, effort to kill than it is in a perk plane which only has a marginal performance advantage.

In a one on one the current setup is fine, but it is almost never a one on one.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I think not.


Your lack of touch with the average player was inferred from your stated backing of Wotan's position.  It has absolutely nothing to do with your, or my, politics.

[Urchin]

I think you are being a little unfair to Karnak.

So which is it? Are you the average pilot struggling to maintain barely 200 perks or some aerial magician who has no trouble bagging them by the bucketload?

I think he probably falls in between, and I think most people do.  I'm somewhat of a rare case I think in that I fly relatively high-ENY planes, thus earning lots of perk points (and Karnak.. it IS true.. on an average sortie I usually do get around 10-15 perk points, at least if I land it- Wotan isn't exagerating) but I've got absolutely no desire to spend them.  I simply don't enjoy flying the planes we have as 'perk planes'.  I'll probably start spending some of them once the Me-163 comes out, because I'll use that to kill bombers that are near a base, but I don't spend the perk points I collect on a regular basis.  

Even if the 'gang-bang' tags were removed, I wouldn't be flying the perk planes, because I don't like flying em much.

The real problem with collecting perks is basically just human nature (and the way the ENY values are determined).  Most people just want to fly and have fun, but all the fun planes have really low ENY values.  In some rare cases, people 'fly to live', and thus want fast planes.. but all the really fast planes have low ENY values to.  So, if you are flying a 'fun' plane like the Spit or N1K2, you get punished for it because those planes see more use (thus pushing the ENY values down).  Same thing applies for the really fast planes- and even the really fast German planes have ENY values that are lower than their usage would otherwise indicate.  

So if you like flying one of the perk planes, you have to fight in a plane that isn't very fast, and isn't very good in a furball.  Even though the ENY value might be really high (like I consider 35 really high, so the 190A's fit), the average pilot isn't going to simply rack up the perk points, because the planes are HARD to get kills and land them in.

Oh, and Karnak.. this is how I get so many perk points (and I know you probably don't care, but I'm having trouble sleeping lol, so I may as well type).  I average 10 to 15 perks on a good sortie.  By good, I mean I take up a 190A5 and get 3 or 4 kills and land them, that is 10 (for 3 kills) or 15 (for 4) perk points.  If I am flying the Dora or the G-10, I almost always get more kills per sortie, and the additional kills mean I get about the same number of perk points even though the ENY value is a lot lower on the Dora and the G-10.  

Heck, the other day I earned something like 50 in 2 sorties in the 109G-6.  One of the sorties was just about the most intense sortie I've ever had (and again, I know you don't care lol, but it is a very good story).  I was flying this 109G-6 around the north side of the Baltic map.  We were fighting the Bishops, and there was a pretty good little fight going on.  I arrived around the outskirts of the fight, and I'm looking for some easy Spit or N1K kills (and those are real good for the perkies too) when I see one poor Knight getting just gang-raped by 5 Bishops.  Being a moron, I yell over Vox "Hang on, I'm on the way!", and I dive down to help.  Of course, I get there just a bit to late, and they kill him right as I get there.  There was an La-7, a Spitfire, an F6F, and a 109.  There was something else, but he ran away and I didn't get a good look at him.  I come blazing in at about 400 mph, and the La-7 and Spit turn to HO me.  The F6F and 109 didn't see me coming yet, and they turned away from me.  I went right at the La-7, tater gun a-blazing.  Ka-POW!  Off with your wing.  "Damn nice shooting"  I said to myself.  The Spit was right behind him, so I adjusted my aim and Ka-POW!  Off with your wing too!  At this point I'm happy.  I've gotten two of the marauders, and I'm ready to die now.  I turn back to face the 109 and F6F. The F6F flashes across my nose in a flat turn.  The tater gun belches out more 30mm death, and the F6F loses his tail.  At this point some tracers start going past me, coming from my right.  That pesky 109 was coming in hard, looking to avenge his comrades deaths.  I turned into him (and at this point I had gotten kinda slow), and we did a couple revolutions in a scissors.  But, he makes a mistake and flies out in front, and catches a tater round in the cockpit for his trouble.  Four kills in the matter of 30 seconds or so.  I was hit with some sort of delayed reaction from the adrenaline that got dumped into my system in that sort little melee.  To top it off, an La-7 bounces me on my way back to base, and after a short squabble HE catches a little Tater lovin.  I bounced an unwary Spit after that, and RTB'd with my 6 kills.  I got 20 perk points for that (and I think I got a style bonus or something ).  

My next sortie I got 9 kills (had to re-arm twice) before I landed, and I got 25 perks for that one.  Next sortie I got 4 or 5 before I really persistant Spit ventilated my tail feathers in a small furball.  I had a pretty good day that day .

[Karnak]

Urchin,

I don't doubt he was telling the truth.

The last Mossie sortie I landed I got 8 perks for, killing a P-38L and Spitfire Mk IX.  Two more kills and I would have been right in there, sadly there were no more enemies to kill.

[Urchin]

And not a word on my beautiful sortie that I put up for your reading pleasure!  Gee, thanks.  You could even say "I don't care Urchin, don't post any more stories".. that'd be SOME sort of feedback.

[GRUNHERZ]

Yep go fly the G6 or A5 and the perks will fall into place no problem.  I found out the single 20mm in a G6 is even better for multi kill sorties than the 30mm. I have gotten a good nuber of 6 and 7 kill one ammo load missions where I landed with 45 20mm still left but out of fuel.  That was a nice surprise.

Karnak if you are having trouble getting or keeping  over 200 points try the G6 or A5 or C205 they will help a lot unless you just don't fly often enough.