Tour 31 Fighter vs Fighter stats

[-ammo-]

Originally posted by beet1e
Ammo!  You seem to be talking of the HO as a legitimate ACM. I try to avoid HOs if I can, but sometimes if I'm cornered I will do it.  You are right about what you said, but I stand by what I said. The P47 will normally win the HO because the instigator of the HO will very likely be a N1K/LA7 dweeb, and not a 190 driver.  I had one yesterday - was in a P47D-30, and had dropped my ord to destroy a VH. Along comes an LA7 dweeb, I zoomed above him, and he does an LA7 style "e-bleeding-flat-turn-then-zoom-up-because-LA7s-don't-lose-e-and-gravity-does-not-apply-to-them" manoeuvre. I was down to 100mph at the top of a stall turn, so when I saw the guy coming up at me, and with very few alternatives, I let him have it with all eight barrels. He got my engine, but I landed safely. He was blown to bits.

Well, yes and no to the first comment:)  I treat a bandit that is merging with me differently, dependant on his actions. If he is goin to try and avoid the HO, but I have the right speed and conditions, I will pull for the shot. Some people will call that a HO, I call it pulling lead turn on an oncoming bandit.  If the bandit is aiming  for me in the merge, I will avoid the HO, unless I am hopelessly outnumbered with not many options in my low and slow P-47, then I take the 50/50 gamble and HO.  And as you alluded too, you enemy AC type plays a role as well.  I dont HO with cannon birds unless the situation meets the above criteria.

[Innominate]

Originally posted by Wotan

The "perk planes are gangbanged because of their icons" arguement is so weak its laughable, in the same sense that that the guy who claimed c47s kept trying to ram his 262 is.

Again, you bring up perk costs, an area where there is no argument.

According to you, people treat perk icons the same as free icons, this is simply not true.  YOU might not, but the majority of players do.

If you put any plane into a situation where a large number of enemies see an easy target, you will be gangbanged.  The difference between the free and perk planes is that, to most people, a perk tag is something worth going after even at a disadvantage.  If people see two targets next to each other, one of which has a perk tag they will target the perk tag every time.  If you fly into an area where there are an equal number of friends and enemies, you might pick up one or two, but for the most part you dont have to worry about being attacked by EVERYONE who can point thier nose at you.

Anyways, If the f4u4's icon isn't a handicap, then there is no reason NOT to remove it.

The reason the f4u4's have a kill ratio that isn't horrid is that they ARE perked.  They're flown so as to keep people from being able to point thier noses at them(i.e. 5000feet above the fight)  If you perked any plane it would be flown like that, and get a perk-comparable kill ratio.  The reason the F4U-1C has a better kill ratio isn't that it's a better plane, or that it's cheaper.  It's because people fly it like a perk plane, AND because it lacks the handicap of a gangbang tag.

Try flying a few sorties in the F4U-4 wotan, then come back.

[J_A_B]

"a perk tag is something worth going after even at a disadvantage. "

Why is this a bad thing?  I WANT people to do stupid things; it makes them easier to kill.  If that 109 or LA7 or Spit or whatever that's under me wants climb up in a vain attempt to hose me from 1.1K only to stall and give me an easy kill, that's fine by me!

Maybe I have a different flying style than you do Innomin8.  I almost always fly alone and it doesn't bother me if I have 4 or 5 enemies fixated on me.   For ME there is literally no difference between flying an F4U-4 or an unperked plane, except when I was in the F4U-4 I had a much easier time pulling off "close" maneuvers.    I don't worry about who the enemy is attacking, only what their position and E-state is relative to me.    

The worst thing about the F4U-4 is the poor 6-view which necessitates making gentle turns to check your 6.  Otherwise it's like a P-51 on steroids--faster, better climb, better maneuverability, tougher and more bullets.  Oh, and it's hard to land because it likes to groundloop

The Perk ICONS are a necessity.  Players deserve to know what they're fighting against, especially if they're fighting against something not commonly available and that likely has superior performance.  I don't think very many players really want to treat every Spit as if it's a 14, or every Tiffie as if it could be a TEMP.   Dealing with the 109's is ebough trouble, and at least they're all free.

Also note that the perk planes with the special tags are those that truly do have some superior performance aspect (the F4U-4 IS superior, perhaps not so dominating as a TEMP but it IS an awesome airplane).  The F4U-1C has a perfectly normal tag.  If HTC were to add some other perk plane with unspectacular performance, I'd bet you it'd have a normal tag too.  

Personally, I think every plane should have a unique ICON, whether at all ranges or at close range only.  First of all we can't see as well in AH as you can IRL.  Second, not very many Bf-109E's flew frontline combat alongside Bf-109G-10's.

J_A_B

[Innominate]

Originally posted by J_A_B

The Perk ICONS are a necessity.  Players deserve to know what they're fighting against, especially if they're fighting against something not commonly available and that likely has superior performance.  I don't think very many players really want to treat every Spit as if it's a 14, or every Tiffie as if it could be a TEMP.   Dealing with the 109's is ebough trouble, and at least they're all free.

Personally, I think every plane should have a unique ICON, whether at all ranges or at close range only.  First of all we can't see as well in AH as you can IRL.  Second, not very many Bf-109E's flew frontline combat alongside Bf-109G-10's.

J_A_B

At least you read my post. You make good points about the F4U-4, which I can't argue with.  It IS an excellent plane.

IMO, the icon system should be consistant, either way.  Either you should never see the exact model. or you could always see it.  The perk planes shouldn't get "special" tags.    The same argument that applies to knowing that you're facing a perk plane also applies to the spitV vs the SpitIX, the various 109s, and the 190s, and the F4Us.  If the perk planes keep thier tags EVERY plane should have tags marking the exact model.  Having every plane marked with thier exact model would make the perk tags stand out less in a crowd, while still letting you know what you're up against.

Obviously I'd prefer less information instead of more, but thats just me.