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Offline Samm

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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2002, 07:13:23 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2002, 07:36:54 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2002, 07:39:52 PM »
im roman catholic hehe and im glad to be that...
cause i dont want to be sucha suicide guys like tha palestinians are...
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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2002, 07:52:53 PM »
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Before monothesism, people believed in multiple gods, or in animal spirits, which controlled the world.  In such an environment man did not attempt to make sense of the world around him, as he believed that all things were subject to the whims of whatever the gods or spirits decided to do.

 That is bull. Egyptians made quite a lot of sense of this world. Ancient greeks had universities, atomic theory of matter and productive research going on. Etc, etc.
 All cultures had a religious theory of how universe was created. Why would it make them more curious if one God mane it rather than few, I don't follow.

 On the value of religion - no comment.

 Crusades were defencive enterprises.
 If there were not Inquisition and religious witchhunts, people would have come up with more political or national reasons to kill each other anyway.
 Other cultures would have been wrecked anyway.

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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2002, 07:57:38 PM »
Can any of you name a single war caused by religion?

The Crusades? Nope

War of the Roses? Nope

French Revolution? Nope

American Revolution? Nope

War of 1812?  Nope

Civil War? Nope

Napoleonic Wars? Nope

World War I? Nope

World War II? Nope

Vietnam? Nope

The only thing religion may have caused were : The Spanish Inquisition- and this had many hidden agendas, and the Salem Witch trials

Religion HAS given humans a 'code of conduct' (though other things contribute also ie Laws).  Without a code on conduct, this world would be a horrible place to live in.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2002, 08:00:11 PM by fdiron »

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« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2002, 08:02:22 PM »
The royal "you" is used to mean "all of you". In other words, my words on that line were not intended only for you, though it is apparent you took it that way.

This is an old argument around here. I (and others) have been on the pro-religion side, others have been anti. It usually comes down to both sides polarized, no minds changed, and a few insults hurled to boot.

Then you have the guys that aren't really interested one way or another, they just hurl in jibes to see if they can get a rise.

In the end, I guess I don't wish to read the "enlightened" thoughts on how I am an idiot for believing, or that my religion is responsible for the most heinous acts of humanity against humanity. It's silly and indefensible, but I won't convince you of that any more than you will convince me the opposite, correct?
« Last Edit: August 28, 2002, 08:04:48 PM by Kieran »

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« Reply #36 on: August 28, 2002, 08:03:15 PM »
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Can any of you name a single war caused by religion?

The Crusades? Nope


How do you figure? :confused:

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« Reply #37 on: August 29, 2002, 01:21:02 AM »
Opiate for the masses...

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« Reply #38 on: August 29, 2002, 01:58:03 AM »
The Crusades had a religious overtone, but I've read some plausible stuff that suggested the underlying factor was population control.  

I.e.  Church-men are like... Hum.. we have a lot of young men roaming around causing trouble, perhaps it would be best to give them a 'cause'.  

Personally, although I'm not religious, I can see that it does serve a very useful social role in keep poor people happy and looking 'forward' instead of looking at right now with dissatisfaction.  It is a good crowd controller.  

It also plays a large part in teaching many people right and wrong.  The world would be a much more violent and lawless place without organized religion.

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« Reply #39 on: August 29, 2002, 05:22:59 AM »
GTO, Stalin did a pretty damn good job himself.  Wasn't religion quenched for a bit?  I'm Catholic, proud and for blaming us for events 2000 years ago, is PATHETIC.

By your little toejamstorm you're admitting guilt to slavery 200 years ago.  Ain't life a squeak?

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« Reply #40 on: August 29, 2002, 05:36:07 AM »
Religion, as defined by the dictionary, is "a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances and often having a moral code for the conduct of human affairs."

I believe religion has value because of the spiritual nature of man.  I cannot look up at the night time sky and not wonder about the uncountable numbers of stars, and ponder upon the vast distances between them and us?  There's a lot of stuff out there we don't know about.  Physics laws as we know 'em, may be different in some places.  There is much our current science, as "modern"as it is, doesn't begin to cover in understanding the universe.  We have "faith" in our science.

Religion is as important to man as science is.  It addresses the other half of our being.  We are spiritual beings and strive to seek God.  It's our nature, and since religion does concern mankind's striving toward understanding, it is as valuable as our other basic needs of air, food, and shelter.
 

Though I'm not a particularly religious person now, I was for a while when I was younger.  Seems like the older I get, the more cynical I become, so this early exposure to God was good for me, and did give me a set of values that help me today in my dealings with people and with life.      


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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2002, 05:59:38 AM »
Course its a good thing. Everybody needs a GOD to squeak to when they die. HT, am I right? Thing to do is to come a knocking at his door or doorbell ringing then run like hell when he answers.

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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2002, 08:17:34 AM »
In the 14 years of internet forums and newsgroups I've been part of, the non-believers always are the first to bring up the topic of religion and bash it.  Its an insecurity moment for them, and a self-centered "I'm justified" attitude. They also tend to think that because they don't believe, somehow they envision themselves with "higher intellect". Not all, but most.  

What Kieren said.

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« Reply #43 on: August 29, 2002, 08:28:10 AM »
Religion is only a problem if (a) it is abused for the benefit of the person espousing and/or controlling it; (b) it is intolerable of other religions or concepts; and (c) it is used as a tool for destruction.

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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2002, 08:44:04 AM »
Hrm, nonbelievers are the first to question?

I don't know Rip, sounds almost too crazy to be true.