A little rant... ok, not so little, but...

[Seeker]

You miss the 109 E.

At least with that, we could do a Battle of Britain....(although the He 111 would make it perfect)

[skernsk]

Originally posted by Karnak:
Major Airframes Missing from AH as of AH v1.08:

Finland
F2A

NEVER HEARD OF THIS ONE.

Germany
Bf110
Do17
He111
Ju52
Ju87

Agreed...but the only one that should be done in the near future would be the BUFF (DO17)and the Stuka(JU87).
Italy
S.M.79

Japan
B5N
B6N
D3A
D4Y
G4M
Ki43
Ki44
Ki49
Ki84

Not a Japanese plane expert, but I'd like a few more to sample.

Soviet Union
I-16
Il-4
Il-10
LaGG-3
MiG-3
Pe-2
Yak-1
Yak-3

Again I'm no expert, but some of these would be cannon fodder...wouln't they?


United Kingdom
Beaufighter
Halifax
Mosquito
Swordfish
Wellington

Did you mean Swordfish??  Isn't that a Biplane?

United States
B-24
B-25
B-29
F4F
P-39
P-40
SB2C
SBD
Yup...ok..but not a prority.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: skernsk ]

[Karnak]

Seeker,

I was just mentioning airframes that are missing.  We have the Bf109 airframe, just not thw Bf109E-3 version of it.

Notice that none of the aircraft in AH are on my list.

Skernsk,

Those are simply the aircraft that I think had a major, or significant, impact on the war.  Many of them would be cannon fodder.

The F2A is the Brewster Buffalo, which was of major importance for Finland, but not anybody else.

Swordfish is indeed a biplane, but it sank more tons of Axis shipping than any other Allied torpedo bomber.  Yes, it would be cannon fodder in the MA.

I put that list out just to show what some of the airframes we don't have are.  I in no way advocate only adding the ones on the "Major" list before adding any on the "Interesting" list.  Its just a partial list of airframes we don't have organized by country and impact on the war.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: Karnak ]

[skernsk]

Heh..seeker I was not trying to stir up a hornets nest.  I think HO'ing a biplane would be most enjoyable

[brady]

When I add to whoeaver's post:
      "dont we have enough US stuff already"

 I am speaking about all the units land see and air curentaly modled in AH, not just fighter units.I am obviously not a big fan of US equipment,I do howeaver feal fair is fair and their should be an equal representation of aircraft types from all countries that fought in the conflict, every- body should get a Buff, a decent selection of fighters, a decent selection of ground atack platforms, and a decent selection of carier planes(buff,atack,fighter).My primary objection curentaly is seing anything else US modeled before somthing is done to even out the inventorie's for the other countries.
 Will sombody use the Me 410(people fly that pos P38 dont they, me included )will they fly a Peggy? heck ya, a faster than a B 26 buff with a 20mm Ho 5 in the dorsal turret O ya.I hope Pyro has done his bit for apeasing the US plane fans for a bit(since the decision to do so much US stuff must be because of a preconceved desire on the part of the consumer for that stuff.)

[Kieran]

Brady- that is the perfect example of gameplay focus- and there isn't a thing wrong with that. I believe 90% of the arguments on this subject revolve around the conflict in the "gameplay" and "historic" viewpoints. One can't just mix-n-match and satisfy everyone.

[DingHao2]

Originally posted by skernsk:
In your opinion will the 410 and 110 see any use?

I think to FINISH (for now)off the Luftwaffe planeset a heavy buff and a stuka are all that is needed.  (Agreed.  But if you want to add a Mosquito, an Me-410 would also be a plane needed.)

We need more Japanese (Yes.) and British planes (None exept for a jabo and a tank buster.).  A Mosquito (not perked) should be way out in front of a 110 or a 410 (Way, way, way in front of a Me-110, but an Me-410 right alongside the Mosquito.).  We need a Japanse bomber and a few more fighters (Absolutely.).

Just round out the other countries first (All of them need to be rounded out.).

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: skernsk ]

[SKurj]

I'd fly 110, and 410, no question about it!!

SKurj

[R4M]

Originally posted by skernsk:
Ram's postyah, Zig, but Do217 is a heavie, and our friend skernsk asked for what was the german planeset lacking apart of a HEAVY bomber and a Stuka.

Thanks for the info.  I am not a Luftwaffe expert.  In your opinion will the 410 and 110 see any use?  Do we need to waste time modelling them?

I think to FINISH (for now)off the Luftwaffe planeset a heavy buff and a stuka are all that is needed.  Perhaps a troop carrier with a little different camo scheme than C47 would be nice.

We need more Japanese and British planes.  A Mosquito (not perked) should be way out in front of a 110 or a 410.  We need a Japanse bomber and a few more fighters.

Not to say we should never model any more German planes.  Just round out the other countries first.

[ 08-13-2001: Message edited by: skernsk ]

lol skernsk come on I was playing a bit with ya  . I agree that there are other planesets wich need new planes way more than the LW set wich is at this point pretty well represented.

I just made a bit of fun with ya  

And indeed, in the CT I would fly both Me110 and Me410 quite a lot. I can't think of a best german Jabo platform able both to bomb&straffe  

[Westy MOL]

never mind

[ 08-14-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

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