Anyone have a clue why the Ta152 is perked?

[J_A_B]

It's perked because it can climb to 50k or so.  Above 30k nothing can touch it.

It is the ultimate terror plane for high-alt stuff.  High-alt stuff isn't very common in the MA, which limits this airplane's usefulness.  Used properly--lets say escorting a stratobuff (or breaking up an escorted stratobuff run), nothing can touch this plane.  

Think of it as a special occasion plane.

J_A_B

[jihad]

LOL, I'm 2-0 vs strato buffs in it. <G>

[Reschke]

 

Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
Try a whole Gruppe, funkedup.

What Gruppe Nath?  I really want to know where more than Staffel strength were in action within the same gruppe?  

As far as I know the production rate for the Ta-152 was under 150 aircraft total for all variants of it.  The overwhelming majority of them were destroyed at production facility airfields waiting on pilots and never saw action.  

Also JG301 was supposed to receive a full compliment for all Jagdflieger in the gruppe to transition to but due to the above mentioned destruction of them there was not enough to even field a full Staffel.  Hence JG301 Stabschwarm was formed and many of the "hot" JG300 and JG301 pilots were transferred over to it.

I will keep digging around and see what I can turn up on this subject of being "a whole gruppe" Nath.

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[Vermillion]

Nath, you know better than that. They may have called it a Gruppe, but a Gruppe was typically 40-50 aircraft, and a Staffel was between 12 and 16 aircraft.

Highest strength for a Ta152 equipped unit was the initial delivery of 12 (or was it 13?) for JG301.  After that typical unit strength was 7 to 8 operational aircraft at any one time. Sounds like a understrength Staffel to me.

Fscott, its perked mainly because of perception in my opinon, because it certainly isn't anything special in the arena, except to strato buffs.


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**MOL**, Men of Leisure

[Buzzbait]

S!

My mistake earlier in stating the TA-152H had a Mk103 30mm firing through the prop.  Seems that was only installed on the 152C.  I am beginning to agree with the others who have asked why it is perked.  I do not see a reason for that now since it only has the standard low accuracy Mk108 30mm.  Essentially it is not up to the level of the Tempest at all.  In fact I would say the La-7 is a far more dangerous aircraft.

[Reschke]

Vermillion;

I think the number they received in JG301 was 13.  However for one reason or another they never had more than 7 operational at once except in the first few missions.  From what I remember that was due mainly to engine problems with the engine they had.  They did replace the engine but without reading back again I do not know right off the top of my head what was replaced and what took its place.

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[Fishu]

 

Originally posted by funked:

Anyone have a clue why the Ta152 is perked?

Probably because only a Stabsschwärm and a Staffel were equipped with the type during WWII.[/b]

I wan't to perk Chog, there was only couple hundred of those  

[fscott]

I still see no clear evidence why it should be perked. Hans, you brought up the only viable reason why, however, this reasoning is with fault. Ponder the following thoughts:

1) It is perked because it can outperform any plane above 30k, however it is given only a maximum of 10 min of MW50 boost at one time, when historically it could go 28 min with MW50 boost.

2) The reasoning behind only 10 min maximum is for "gameplay" reasons, or also called the fule-multilier. Yet it would seem logical to give this plane its full alotted 28 min of MW50 boost, because it needs that to get to 30k fast enuff, and also perform at that altitude the way it should.

3) It is a buff killer. Yet how practical is this in the MA?  How many buffs do you see flying at 25k?  Not very often. Additionally, why would one EVER risk 50 perk points *just* to chase down a buff at 30k, when many other palnes can do the trick without risking perks.

Conclusion, I think the mystique of the plane has contributed largely to it being perked.  IMO it is worth no mroe than 10 perk points if perked at all.

fscott

[Servo]

It's perked to simulate it's low usage in the war -- not because it's a monster like the Tempest. It seems pretty logical to me.

Servo

[SageFIN]

Yeehaw, let's perk all them nasty Italian planes. Not too many were produced and they are all some sort of huge furry cosmic monsters that eat other planes for breakfast.

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[gatt]

Eheheh, guys, first this is a game. Ok, then you can understand why an UFO at medium-low alt like the Niki is not perked and why a plane like the Ta152H-1 is. Much more dangerous a well flown Dora (from 0 to 20K, that is, where 99% of the fights are fought).

[newguy]

A few other planes, like hmm..., the CHOG would then fall in to the perk catagory Servo.

[funked]

1942 and later planes should all have some perk cost IMHO.  

[Suave1]

Maybe because of pilots' stories like this .


"So now it was two against two as the ground-level dogfight began. We knew the tempest to be a very fast fighter, used by the British to chase and shoot down our V-1s. But here, in a fight which was never to climb above 50 metres, speed would not play a big part. The machines' ability to turn would be all important. Both pilots realized from the start that it would be a fight to the finish and used every flying trick and tactical ploy possible to try to gain the upper hand. At this altitude neither could afford to make the slightest mistake. And for the first time since flying the Ta 152 I began fully to appreciate exactly what this aircraft could do.
Pulling ever tighter turns I got closer and closer to the tempest, never once feeling I was even approaching the limit of the Ta's capabilities. And in order to keep out of my sights, the tempest pilot was being forced to take increasingly dangerous evasive action. When he flicked over onto the opposite wing I knew his last attempt to turn inside me had failed.

The first burst of fire from my Ta152 caught the tempest in the tail and rear fuselage. The enemy aircraft shuddered noticeably and yoked into a starboard turn, giving me an even greater advantage.

Now there was no escape for the tempest. I pressed my gun buttons a second time, but after a few rounds my weapons fell silent, and despite all my efforts to clear them, refused to fire another shot. I can no longer remember just who and what I didn't curse. But fortunately the tempest pilot didn't realize my predicament as he'd already taken hits .

Instead he continued desperately to twist and turn and I positioned myself so that I was always just within his field of vision. Eventually - inevitably - he stalled. The tempest's left wing dropped and he crashed into the woods immediately below us ."

Oberfeldwebel Willi Reschke

[Reschke]

I really like that story, even though a brave man did loose his life I still like that story.

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