Now the sane and rational reflection...

[GRUNHERZ]

Why do you assume that all moslems are considered enemies?  

But I will tell you the WTC wasn't attacked by Buddhists and that we should certainly pay special attention to the moslem communities all around the world - because for good or ill thats where the terrorists come from or hide in.

But im sure the FBI investigators searched Harlem and Watts in their KKK busting days...  Right?

[Thud]

Lonestar:

You're definately right about the open wounds etc.
But your post seems to imply that the number of people who supported or took kindly to the bombing for one or another reason is quite limited, while in TV interviews, columns, even on this BBS numerous people stated that they thought it was a terrible act but McVeigh did indeed correctly see a problem with the federal adm. and that the victims were more or less casualties of war, and this was a very widely shared opinion! many people I know were quite shocked by the sheer size and intensity of these feelings.

Maybe all these people in the US didn't dance because:

1. They were not in 'friendly territory', I assume and partially hope that they would be beaten up or worse when displaying their opinions on the Oklahoma disaster publicly. You know it's a lot easier to make a anti-western statement in Gaza or the West-bank than giving your approval to bombing fed buildings in most parts of the US.

2. The Northern-American culture does not exactly reflects the same on expressing political, religious or other important issues by means of mass demonstrations with flags, battle hymns, shootings and general hysteria as does the Muslim-Arabic culture.

For example: ever been to a muslim wedding? Then you'll understand what I mean under #2.

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Why do you assume that all moslems are considered enemies?  

I don't, Fred Reed does. Read the article.

[GRUNHERZ]

You mean this?


"Time was, this wouldn’t have happened. When the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, we squashed them. When the Nazis attacked us, we invaded. But that was before Oprah Consciousness. Now the Moslems kill a few thousand people in New York, and the President immediately goes to a mosque. Don’t you love it?

After Pearl Harbor, did Roosevelt go to a Shinto temple? "

Or:

"The moslems have got our number."


Well they were moslems, whats ur point?  Why does this mean all moslems to you?  




And about raghead..

Are you offended by Red, Nazi, Kraut, Yank, Commie, Russkie, Limey, etc...  

And he said "one raghead" which is clearly a reference and insult aimed at  Bin Laden.

[LoneStarBuckeye]

Thud:

I wasn't around these parts back when the OK bombing transpired, and so was unaware that there was "grass roots" support or understanding on these boards for the actions of McVeigh and his co-conspirators.  I suspect, though, that you are right when you state that part of the reason for their annonymity and public silence is that they are on unfriendly ground.  (That is what I meant when I stated that if they were known, they would be reviled.)  

As to your second point, I suspect that you are generally correct.  I used to work right across the street from the White House, however, and frequently there were loud, raucous protests (e.g., singing, chanting, music -- no gunfire, though) in Lafayette Park.  Many of those public protests were populated largely by Americans.  (At least they appeared to be and sounded like they were Americans.)

- JNOV

[midnight Target]

Generalizing an entire religion is wrong Grunherz. Stop being a banal little boy and open your eyes.

[Elfenwolf]

Originally posted by LoneStarBuckeye
Elf:

Contrary to your statement, I didn't support the action in Afghanistan, because I thought before it started that it would be ineffectual.  

And, although I think it is unfortunate that the article uses terms like "raghead," the author makes very good points.  Also, I didn't read the article to claim something like, "All Muslims are responsible for the acts of terror on 9/11," or "All Muslims are evil."  I think the point he was making is that the perpetrators and enablers were Arab Muslims and that to ignore that fact in the name of political correctness is not only stupid but dangerous.

- JNOV

Actually I supported the Afghanistan action more than I can support an invasion of Iraq. At least me managed to scramble the Al Queda and, for the time being, render them less effective as terrorists. According to the Gov't. we've accomplished alot in Afghanistan in our War on Terrorism.

I agree the author made many good points, although I thought he came across as somewhat frustrated. However, his use of the slang "ragheads" shows a bias which taints his entire message.

Do you really believe there's more than just the usual nut burger fringe element who DOESN'T want ALL those responsible for 9-11 brought to justice? This isn't about left vs. right, at least in my opinion. It's about justice.

BTW I almost choked when you called MT a "shark." If that's the case you should show him a little professional courtesy.

[GRUNHERZ]

"Generalizing an entire religion is wrong Grunherz. Stop being a banal little boy and open your eyes."

The primary identity of our current opponents is their religion, more than a specific race or nationalty - but of course primarly young middle eastern men nonetheless. We have to look at it that way.  Dont fool yourself MT. They will become more sophisticated in shielding themselves by religion and by appealing to good hearted but naive people like you.

I have confidence that coming events will change your mind.  I think it will most likey start here in CA.

[midnight Target]

Well I'm either a shark or naive....


I choose Shark!!!

 

[Kanth]

which race are we talking about here?

Originally posted by midnight Target
Its Racist roadkill.

[Thrawn]

Based on this definition of race from dictionary.com,

race1   Pronunciation Key  (rs)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

I'm going to go with Middle-eastern muslims.

[Kanth]

we have american muslims who:

1. do not share genetically transmitted physical characteristics with the middle easter muslims.
2. Do not share a common history, nationality or geographic distribution with the middle eastern muslims.

This defies the definiton of race that you have posted.

Originally posted by Thrawn
Based on this definition of race from dictionary.com,

race1   Pronunciation Key  (rs)
n.
1. A local geographic or global human population distinguished as a more or less distinct group by genetically transmitted physical characteristics.
2.A group of people united or classified together on the basis of common history, nationality, or geographic distribution: the German race.

I'm going to go with Middle-eastern muslims.

[Thrawn]

Originally posted by Kanth


This defies the definiton of race that you have posted.


 

Yeah.  What's your point?  I'm lost here.  

[Kanth]

my point is calling the guy a racist is as mistaken as him classifying all muslims as terrorists.

Originally posted by Thrawn


Yeah.  What's your point?  I'm lost here.  

[Kanth]

I think he's frustrated with political correctness going overboard and punishing things he doesn't believe need to be punished in this nation.

he's not satisfied with the results overseas because we have nuked anyone yet which seems to mean we are wuss's these days.

 I'm fairly frustrated with our progress as well. But I don't think we need to be nuking the wrong folks just to nuke someone in hoping for satisfaction.

I believe we'll make plenty of mistakes in handling this situation and they will be eventually rectified.

he seems pretty bitter and that's the easy road.

we're all frustrated, it's not going to be quick and easy..suck it up and drive on.