Author Topic: "Will the United Nations serve the purpose of its founding or will it be irrelevant?" (Read 573 times)

Vulcan · « **Reply #15 on:** September 12, 2002, 06:45:49 PM »

Umm Grun, you are pretty much right about the UN being policing by committee. However you are way off base and completely ignorant on the rest of the facts.

Personally, I'm talking about Kiwi and Aussie soldiers who gave and continue to give their lives bringing peace to East Timor. And Aussies and Kiwis who have given their lives in the UN duties around the world.

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Sure thats possible, but what about the 10 years of carnage before. Where was the UN then. I'm sure their cherished resolutions won dozens of battles against the soviet invaders.

The UN is a joke. It has absolutely no power over the permenant 5, and has no power against weaker countries if they have a buddy among the 5 or if the USA doesnt want to get involved. The Korean war UN action only happened because the Soviet representative boycotted the meeting, imagine if he had been there and vetoed. The UN is simply too big and indecisive to be really useful in any crisis. So the US has to lead them. In other words the UN is place holder until the US decides to get involved.

Thrawn · « **Reply #16 on:** September 12, 2002, 06:45:58 PM »

GRUNHURTZ, I'm afraid you seem to be just plain wrong, at least your government says you are.

The following quote comes from the United States Department of State's offical web site

"UN EFFORTS
During the Soviet occupation, the United Nations was highly critical of the U.S.S.R.'s interference in the internal affairs of Afghanistan and was instrumental in obtaining a negotiated Soviet withdrawal under the terms of the Geneva Accords."

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5380.htm#history

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #17 on:** September 12, 2002, 06:56:57 PM »

Actually East Timor is one thing that surprised a lot. I feel it was a success because the Aussie and NZ troops actually had a political interest in the outcome.

In my country unfortunately they were not so good.

As for Afghanistan I agree its entirely possible that the UN helped administer the soviet withdrawl, they are expersts in that manouver after all. But again I ask where were they for 10 years while the mujahideen and the CIA actually gave the Soviets a reason to leave.

Thrawn · « **Reply #18 on:** September 12, 2002, 06:57:04 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I have taken a logic class and found it all BS, even looked at all those fallacies pages and others. Simply because its very easy to support any positiojn with pure logic and argument. Thats exactly what these leftist college professors do so well. But it ignores the basic truth of things.

Funny you should say that. It appears you don't instand the point of logic at all. At it is: "The study of the principles of reasoning, especially of the structure of propositions as distinguished from their content and of method and validity in deductive reasoning. "

Logic is a tool for finding "truth". And a damn good one at that. But I suppose we don't have to use it.

GRUN posted this:"You certainly cant call Koffe Annan a leader, can you?"

I take this to mean that you are a small dicked, pederast. What's more because I've come to this conclusion, (base on no logic what so ever)and I hold it to a "basic truth". I will now do my best to inform everyone on this board, so they never let thier children near you.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:11:09 PM »

Of course.. I'm a child molestor. But thats just an alternate lifestyle choice.

(BTW I bet thats coming soon, thx leftists

)

You can argue anything to be the truth. If you are so persitant that pure logic leads to the truth, why were Plato and Aristotle's theories proven wrong by science.

655321 · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:16:36 PM »

How dare Iraq defy UN security council resolutions!!!!

Let's get em!!!

And while we are in that part of this filthy world, since we are the righteous US and don't have a double standard, we will kick out the brutal Israeli 'regime' and take over there country too since they have broken far more resolutions than Iraq.

Then we can attack China for developing weapons of mass destruction, human rights abuses and the brutal occupation of Tibet.

If it's good for the goose.......

midnight Target · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:18:15 PM »

"why were Plato and Aristotle's theories proven wrong by science."

Such as? Really which ones? Not saying they weren't, just would like to discuss them more specifically.

Thrawn · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:20:23 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Of course.. I'm a child molestor. But thats just an alternate lifestyle choice. (BTW I bet thats coming soon, thx leftists )

You can argue anything to be the truth. If you are so persitant that pure logic leads to the truth, why were Plato and Aristotle's theories proven wrong by science.

You are being a hypocrit.

"But it ignores the basic truth of things."

"You can argue anything to be the truth. "

If you can use logic to argue anything to be the truth, then how can it ignore these "basic truths"?

What are these "basic truths"? What system of reasoning do you use to find them?

Edit: please not that in my defination of logic the word used is validity, not truth. I used the word truth in my post in quotes, as you used it first in your post.

Krusher · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:25:21 PM »

1 in 4 UN members has not paid or is behind in his dues yet the UN threaten to cut off our vote in the general assemly for paying 22 percent of the UN operating budget instead of 25 percent. (we are with holding a portion as a protest to the way it is spent)

Above and beyond the normal budget is peacekeeping dues. The UN charges the US 30 percent and then they extort US equipment and supplies to be used by other members.

I was a UN backer until the US was kicked of the 53 member Human Rights Commission in a secret ballot (replaced by Syria a bastion of human rights) We have absolutly no Americans in any position of athuority in the UN. Our voice in the UN has been shrinking to the point where we have to go outside the lines and twist arms to get any say so in how the UN is managed.

Now they want to charge a world income tax (guess who gets to pay the lions share) The only reason the UN wants the US as a member is for the money. Its starting to look like the number one goal of the UN is to strip America of its power and wealth and redistribute it to the rest of the world. What political system does this remind you of ?

screw the UN

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2002, 07:41:29 PM »

Very simple. Take PC ideology thats so prevelant in the US. "They" (Shock Horror MT

) reason that its neccesary to color the truth - the real events- to fit a certain political atmosphere. So the basic truth is shoved out and replaced with an acceptable one.

Or take the US court system. Any of you liberals who whine about the wrong people being convicted should understand the dangers of a purely logical reasoing process. The lawyers make a presentation based on logical arguments.

Or the college classroom. I have had endless chances to discuss issues like communism and socialism with these degenerate idiots and their handlers, I mean professors. In a classrom, in theory, purely logically communism can work. But we all know the truth about it.

Anyway I have certain feelings of anger and distrust towards the UN which you cannot understand. I hope one day your country is invaded and your people are left to the mercy of the UN bluehat peakekeepers. I hope your mother does not get nearly decapitated by a mortar. Enjoy the UN!

NUKE · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2002, 08:37:51 PM »

Tell me what the UN would be doing ( other than complaining) if not for the US? Anyone?

mietla · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2002, 09:40:12 PM »

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
In a classrom, in theory, purely logically communism can work.

Surely you are jesting. And all people are just the same and have the same abilities.

Thrawn · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2002, 10:20:20 PM »

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Originally posted by NUKE
Tell me what the UN would be doing ( other than complaining) if not for the US? Anyone?

No one can answer that.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #28 on:** September 13, 2002, 03:33:43 AM »

"Surely you are jesting. And all people are just the same and have the same abilities."

Meitla I think my personal opinion of communism and communists is well known. I would have them all shot.

Basically I was using is as an example of something that people can support with arguments and in theory, as in a leftist classroom, but that is impossible, untrue and impractical in real life.

Daff · « **Reply #29 on:** September 13, 2002, 05:44:00 AM »

" I was a UN backer until the US was kicked of the 53 member Human Rights Commission in a secret ballot (replaced by Syria a bastion of human rights) "

There's 3 seats allocated to the 'western world' on the Human Rights Commision. The didnt lose their seat to Libya or any other 3rd world country, but to France, Austria and Sweden. (I think...all western Europe anyway).

Daff