Author Topic: The Mossie's flight endurance still seems too short (Read 1031 times)

leitwolf · « **Reply #15 on:** September 02, 2003, 05:21:20 AM »

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The Mosquito FB.Mk VI in AH is consuming fuel at more than twice the rate it should be.

Maybe it's a confusion in fuel consumption figures per plane vs per engine.
I did numerous tests with the P-38L and to me it looks like it has a similar issue.
Which isnt a big showstopper for me, I might add.

Karnak · « **Reply #16 on:** September 02, 2003, 09:40:54 AM »

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Originally posted by leitwolf
Maybe it's a confusion in fuel consumption figures per plane vs per engine.
I did numerous tests with the P-38L and to me it looks like it has a similar issue.
Which isnt a big showstopper for me, I might add.

The problem is that it puts high fuel capacity aircraft at a rather large disadvantage.

Right now the Mosquito needs to take at leats 75% fuel, and that weighs (IIRC) about 2,700lbs to get the same range as a Spitfire with 75% (basically to an enemy base, fight and return home) which weighs a mere 600lbs.

That much extra weight is a big penalty and it doesn't bring with it the advantages that it should, only the disadvantages.

Batz · « **Reply #17 on:** September 02, 2003, 11:55:25 AM »

The ju88 fuel is porked as well only 133 min at x1.

leitwolf · « **Reply #18 on:** September 02, 2003, 05:43:01 PM »

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The ju88 fuel is porked as well only 133 min at x1.

How much time did it have in RL? Twice this number?

Batz · « **Reply #19 on:** September 02, 2003, 06:28:13 PM »

I have read where there were flights at 4 hours. so yup 2 times seems right.

Karnak · « **Reply #20 on:** September 02, 2003, 07:48:04 PM »

I wonder if this is true of all the twin engined aircraft in AH?

TheCage · « **Reply #21 on:** September 02, 2003, 11:59:36 PM »

I found this to be true in the P-47D30 as well. The AUX tank on the Jug last 9 minutes and 30 Seconds. The Jugs normal burn rate was between 75-85 gallons an hour. So the Jug should be able to fly approx 1 Hr. and 20 minutes on AUX alone. With a full fuel load I figured that the Jug should be able to fly 72 sectors in this game. Depending on altitude, the Jug endurance should be around 5 hours duration. The current arena has a burn rate around 2.5. Even if you were to multipy the times by 2.5 it would still come up short. I have never tested out the P-38 but I know in certain arenas that the burn rate is much higher then other arenas. Depending on the model the Jug carried internally between 390-455 gallons of fuel.

Swoop · « **Reply #22 on:** September 03, 2003, 05:16:50 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
I just set the fuel multiplier to 1.5 in offline mode (I'm told that 1.5 is the MA setting)

Um....actually the MA fuel setting is 2.0

hitech · « **Reply #23 on:** September 03, 2003, 08:45:47 AM »

Swoop is correct fuel burn rate in the MA is 2.0.

When testing fuel burn rates, test first at full throttle. If you are testing at a lower power setting you are testing 2 things at once.

We are looking into the mos.

HiTech

F4UDOA · « **Reply #24 on:** September 03, 2003, 09:59:47 AM »

HT,

You may want to look at the La-7 and 109G10 first.

The La-7 runs with the same SFC (Fuel per HP per Hour) at full combat as it does in should in Ma cruise.

The La7 - 1850HP combat and 1600HP mil 122 gallons of fuel. has roughly the same duration as the F6F-5 with 250n gallons of fuel and 2250HP and 2000hp at mil.

This means the La-7 can produce 82% of the HP while only burning 50% of the fuel.

Joe Blogs and I have posted so much on this and other A/C I can't believe your just now asking HT?

Check this out, the P-51D has a duration of 53 minutes in the MA. From the pilots manual the P-51D should burn 180GPH at mil power and carries exactly 269 gallons of fuel. That should give the P-51D a real life endurance of 1.5 hours at mil power. Which means in the MA duration should be 45 minutes.

Frankly there are so many fuel endurance issues in the MA the whole set should be looked at.

BTW, the F4U (my pet peeve) is about two minutes high. As close as any I have checked.

hitech · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2003, 12:47:36 PM »

F4U you might wish to checkthe p51.

Mill = 61" = 2.5 gpm or 150 ghr

269/150 * 60 = 107.6

107.6 / 2 = 53.8

And whats with this bull crap?

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Joe Blogs and I have posted so much on this and other A/C I can't believe your just now asking HT?

I post to a thread and get slamed, I don't post to a thread I get slamd?

And another statment.

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Frankly there are so many fuel endurance issues in the MA the whole set should be looked at.

It's this type of untrue crap that gets under my skin F4UDOA. This thread started out very factual , but you very quickly changed it into FLAMING HTC, and you can go suck an egg.

HiTech

AKIron · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2003, 12:56:45 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
I post to a thread and get slamed, I don't post to a thread I get slamd?
HiTech

If yer gonna get slammed might as well have yer say.

Karnak · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2003, 12:58:01 PM »

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Originally posted by hitech
We are looking into the mos.

HiTech

Thank you.

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2003, 01:57:40 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
From the pilots manual the P-51D should burn 180GPH at mil power

HiTech, you are considering 150GPH, F4UDOA 180GPH.

hitech · « **Reply #29 on:** September 03, 2003, 02:06:56 PM »

Oh realy mandoble? Must be why I sighted the 61" = Military power.

The 180GPH = wep.

HiTech