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ATI 9700 quick review re:Aces High
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2002, 02:10:54 AM »
After some testing (9700 against GeForce4-4600) this is what I found. On my P4-2.4, with FSAA and Anisotropic Filtering off, details and quality at minimum, the 9700 is about 10-15% faster. The real difference is when you turn FSAA and AF on. With FSAA and AF at 4X the 9700 is more than 100% faster than the 4600.

I tested both cards with AH (1280x1024 at 32bit) and 3DMark2001SE (latest build at 1024x768).
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trouble with Anisotropic Filtering on
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2002, 07:38:56 AM »
i have the Radeon 9700 pro now. When i turn FSAA on (6x) it's working ok. But when i activate the Anisotropic Filtering the font on the chat bar and within the maps look unreadable.

Is there anything i messed up ?

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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2002, 07:42:15 AM »
Airmess, same problem here. Actually, in D3D I dont use any AF but only 4x or 6x FSAA.

Same problem in BF1942 (blurry text lines), an OpenGL game if I'm not wrong. I guess its still a driver problem .... first time with ATI here :confused:
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2002, 08:18:06 AM »
What chipset are you guys are using?
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Chipset used here
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2002, 11:04:52 AM »
I'm using VIA Chipset

AMD 2200
1 GB RAM
ASUS A7V333
RADEON 9700 pro

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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2002, 11:50:26 AM »
Hmm. Now that you mention it, the font in the AH buffer looks different for me too, not as easy to read as before, but readable. Interesting that we use different chipsets.

I'm hoping a new bios or driver update will take care of these probs...  :/
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« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2002, 08:42:22 PM »
Gman and Gatt:

I found something that fixed my blurred text in AH. Its called "Rage3D Tweak ver 3.6"

Here

Its a program for tweaking and overclocking all ATI cards, including the 9700.

After installing it, open it up and click on the Rage3D Tweak tab. Scroll down and select "Tweaker". Then scroll down again and put a check in the box next to "Run ATI Smartgart Utility."

Then check the box to run all tests. It will change settings according to what is best for your configuration. Click apply and restart.

This fixed my problem with dark and blurry text in AH. The text is now highly visible like it was before.  

G'luck.
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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2002, 07:27:32 PM »
aces of the pacific was my first flight sim! man I had fun with that game, and the 1946 addon was aweosme too, it spawned my love for the bearcat. btw I was a bigtime niki dweeb in aotp but my real love was the dauntless! i still remember the little "scratch one flattop!" you got, and i was only 12 years old...

i remember being in the store and trying so hard to decide whether to get falcon 3 or aotp. 50 bucks was really hard to come by back then, but I think I made the correct choice :)

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« Reply #23 on: October 08, 2002, 11:28:38 PM »
Gunthr, after using the utility I still have problems of blurry text. Actually, with AF on I have problems both with the GeForce4 and the Radeon 9700 ...:confused:
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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2002, 12:51:09 AM »
Small tip to you folks using old crappy display cards:

Set the anti-aliasing tab in d3d properties MANUALLY to off position. I've noticed a notable performance loss if it's set to 'let applications handle' even if applications are _not_ using FSAA. Things just go smoother with it set manually off.

Another performance trick is to set anisotropic filtering off, even to the limit of setting it totally off ( not even double buffering. )

That makes textures look real blocky, but fps will go up quite much if you need speed instead of looks.

Oh, and you who suffer from mushed text, try setting down your buffering level also. Set it to 0 and see if your text still looks bad.
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« Reply #25 on: October 09, 2002, 08:18:02 AM »
Gatt, try updating all your drivers, including the AGP, chipset drivers, dx 8.1b, all windows updates and a bios update. (the shotgun method :))
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« Reply #26 on: October 10, 2002, 01:35:27 PM »
Well... I got mine from Crucial - was kinda looking for memory for my wife's new rig and there it was, in stock and cheaper then anywhere else;) I just couldn't say "no" to myself and it arrived the very next morning.  Plugged it in. WnXP (SP1) recognised the card and installed drivers... Hmmmm... Tried the lot that came with the card - same version. 3dMarks2001SE under GF3Ti500 were around 7100-7200 (1600XP, 512MB Crucial PC2100). Went up to ~7500... I thought "Sh*t! I've just wasted 250 quid!". Went to get latest drivers (.6166), updated, ran the test again - holy smoke: just under 10000!!! I'm well impressed. And the fan is quieter as well Ti500 was howling like a banshee on steroids. Downloading Tweak thing Gunthr recommended - lesse what this baby can do :)

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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2002, 01:45:05 PM »
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I guess that is because my refresh rate is 100 mhz...


WOW most of us run thier refresh at 100hz. That card IS fast.. :)

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2002, 02:19:33 PM »
lynx,...your missing what the 9700pro does best.  Crank up the resolution!  It just does not slow down.  Well,...it does a little. :D
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« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2002, 11:26:04 PM »
Skuzz - I'm "stuck" (poor me;)) with 1280x1024 - my iiYama AS4332UT won't go any higher, it's a TFT:D. I'll just have to live with the rest of things maxed out *sobs*;)