example of gang banging and why its wrong........

[SLO]

its ok PVT all is forgivin


2on1 is cool....but not cool when both are spits and BOTH are looking to HO your bellybutton on every pass.


this game lacks the initial enviroment to develope ACM skills

I see too many just up a base and FACE shot anything that moves....too many of those.


SlowHand
4WING=441 Silver Fox=

[john9001]

if you don't want to be gang banged fly with a squadron

bad part of gangbanging is i always end up with assits instead of kills

once i was flying one of the slower planes (don't remember which) and i came upon 3 enemy ( i thought it was only one), i could not run so i figured make a fight of it.

i did that fighter pilot stuff and got guns on #1 and killed him on 1st pass ( mucho luck) did some quick ACM and killed #2 with one burst ( more luck), #3 must have thought i was a bad dude and tried to egress by diving out and augered , but i gonna claim 3 kills anyway,
 that was the only time i went 1 v 3 and won, normally i try to get out of town or i die, but you never know who you are flying against so you just might win.

44MAG
knight barbarian

[thrila]

Don't worry, pyls i'll still be your friend.

[Rude]

Gangbanging complaints are silly.....who flies what you're drivin anyway...who decides when to engage and when not to?

To whine about other players who enjoy sorties together as a squad or otherwise is pathetic. Then to expect others to fight in some way which you deem as honorable is even more pathetic.

I personally fly with my squadmates whenever possible because, well, WE ARE A SQUAD! Crazy isn't it?

I also have asked for the help of some of the better knife fighters in the game to help me improve my knife fightin skills.

Bottom line, to fly and get kills is why we do this....otherwise, we'd just takeoff and fly around waving to each other. If I can land 4-6 kills a hop, I'm having fun....if my method of accomplishing that doesn't please another player, then that's really too bad.

[popeye]

Now...isn't that more fun than all that killing?

[Rude]

Sorry Popeye...I'm a Republican:)

[Urchin]

I don't find them silly myself Rude, but I guess that is because I'm constantly fighting 3 or more on 1.  

As far as 'who is flying your plane'... not all of us fly the P-51.  Not all of us fly the La-7.  Not all of us fly the Dora.  Although, as gangbanging as a method of getting kills becomes even more prevalent, I can say with very little doubt that most everyone who stays will be flying those planes.

As far as 'who chooses to engage'.... well, that depends on what the circumstances are.  I might be engaged in a one on one with someone else when his four buddies jump in.  In that case... they chose to engage.  And you can't very well run away from them in a 190A5 or a P-38.  Although I suppose I could buy the 'argument' of 'Well, it is your fault ANYWAY, because you chose to fly a non-la7 at an altitude of less than 45,000 feet!".  Yea, in that case I'm guilty as charged.  

Some of the gangbangers 'arguments' make very little sense to me.  

"Well, you put yourself in the situation".  

-  Ah, no I didn't.  I won't engage 3 Spits, an La-7, a 109, and a N1K if they are all flying together.  At least not in any plane other than the La-7.

"Why don't you go fly somewhere ELSE?"

-  Are they trying to say they want to fight AI or something?  Want to make some oh so interesting de-acking runs.  Maybe pork some fuel?  Oh yea, I'm getting a woody just thinking about it.  I guess thats where the appeal is.  

You see, in some cases (hell, in a lot of cases) the population of the countries isnt exactly 'even'.  You'll have numbers that look like 80-130-25 (poor rooks) or 175-120-90.  The MA being what it is, you'll see some fighting along the borders.  Most of the popsicle's in the MA being what they are, you'll see a lot of clumps of 5 or 10 guys flying 'together' when they are out looking for a fight, rising to 40 or 50 when a 'mission' to take a field is put in our happy little gangbang planner.  So... lets say I'm on the Rooks when 90 Bishops come calling at 1 of the 4 fields that is left.  Should I log off?  Because if I take off in that situation, it is MY FAULT that I'll get gangbanged by 45 Tiffies that are drooling to kill one of maybe five planes they'll see the whole 'mission'.  Or, I could up an La-7 and spend 40 minutes running from 6 and 7 on 1's.  Boy, that sure is fun.

Rude, I've got nothing against people that fly together in a squadron.  Hell, that is what they are for.  However, when you fly in your squad, I'd venture to say you dont fly 10 guys out and CAP one of your own bases, waiting for the 1 con that is in the sector to come sauntering by.  You go out and LOOK for a somewhat even fight.  If you see a lone N1K at 3k, all 10 of you dont go screaming down to kill him.  You might send 2 guys, maybe with a third to watch and make sure everything is going OK.  What pisses me off are CONSTANT 4,5,6 or more on 1's.  People aren't even content to watch someone's bellybutton when they are in absolute control of a 1 on 1.  They have to 'help' (read, dive in for the head on, spraying like mad).  I've watched 5 or 6 Knights go after some random enemy that was already in a 2 on 1.  I've been run down by at least that many enemies countless times this tour.  It gets diddlying aggravating.  It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.

[jonnyb]

definition of the ganbang:

Flying your plane into what appears to be a nice engagement of you versus 1-3 of your worthy opponents.  You realize that your advantage has worn thin and decide to exit after downing one or all.  While exiting, you look up and watch 6-10 not-so-worthy enemies diving into you.  You are now the lead in the conga line of death.  As you continue to egress, the line becomes longer and longer until one of those pesky La7 drivers manages to close in and start spraying and praying.  About that time, all other members of the line within 2k begin to do the same.  A quick barrel roll and the La7 driver blows past you.  You open fire and nail him in the tailpipe.  The N1K that was behind him, still spraying and praying manages to ping you from 1.2k back and knocks off an aileron.  Oh well, you didn't need that one anyway.  A crazed spit driver sees the conga line and dives down from the upper atmosphere to try and get a piece of you.  You look over your left wing and watch him make a large crater as he impacts into the terrain.  3 more guys die to the effects of kill-shooter.  Another La7 is closing the gap and spraying like mad.  He will exact revenge upon you for foiling his buddy's plan.  Your right elevator falls off your plane and you begin to leak fuel.  This La7, like his friend, overshoots you and you put some rounds into him.  He's still flying, but has started to run away because you somehow managed to avoid his death-strike.  That pesky N1K has now closed to within 600 yards and manages to get some more cannon rounds into your plane.  Your engine now spews forth black smoke, radiator coolant and seizes.  You drop your flaps and gear and bring your wounded bird down while 2 more spits auger behind you trying to be the one to claim the easy kill.  You see kill messages #8,9 and 10 flash on the text buffer as you realize that the La7 you pinged didn't make it back to base.  The end result of it all is a message that states, "You have been captured".

[lazs2]

we need more fields that are a little less than a sector apart.   I would say that then we would have more choice as to the fights we are in.   Right now, we have  a lot of fields more than a sector apart and it becomes foolish to venture out alone or in twos and threes in slow or mediocre planes because you will be gangbanged by the opportunists who will up in fast planes to "meet" you.

More of the closer fields would allow the players who like to fight midway between fields in the slower or earlier planes a place to play.
lazs

[Rude]

Well, although I understand where your comin from, it's still up to you to know whats going on around you....if you have multiple dots inbound on dar before or during your fight, you should know that you had better do your business quickly or get out while the gettins good. It works for me:)

As far as flying the 51, I can still avoid the 7v1's flying slower planes by paying attention to whats going on around me or by choosing fights more carefully.

My point is this....no matter what is complained about, you're not going to change the way the MA lives and breathes....the only change that you have control over is how you fly. If the only fight you want is one where you T and B, then the fruit of that choice is eventual death...if you slow down, your food for the masses.

It is the way it is:)

[Shane]

Originally posted by Urchin
It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.

come to the dark side!  

[SlapShot]

Urchin,

Your over-exageration to make a point is not cutting it.

If there is a mission of 45+ planes going to a field, it surely is not to "turn on the vulch lamp". I have been in these types missions and the sole object is to trash the WHOLE BASE ... ergo ... no FHs ... no vulch. Never has the intention been to have 45 Tiiffies circle and wait for the vulch.

If I am flying towards an enemy base and encounter 3 or more cons and I am the only "green" guy around, I immediately reverse 180 degrees back to my base or towards multiple "green" dots on radar. Like Rude said, I choose where the fight takes place. If you continue to fly into mutiple cons then you will get ganged and you have no one to blame but yourself.

Tell me that when your country has an opposing country down to 4 bases, you go somewhere else and fly and not attack the remaining fields because you don't want to be a participant in a possible gangbang ?

The only time that I see these "gangbang conga lines" is during base defense or base offensive CAP.

The conga lines for base defense are stupid in my opinion and I very rarely participate in those, other than to try to end the stupidity.

The conga lines for base offensive CAP are more justified due to the fact that there are incoming goons. With that in mind, any and all red icons must be destroyed at all costs. I rarely participate in these either, unless I am one of the first or second attackers. This conga line sometimes backfires on the CAP and there are no planes left to cover the airfield.

There are a lot of people that piss and moan about the AKDesert map, but that is the only map that I can truely find good 1 v 1, 2 v 1, and 3 v 1 fights. All you have to do is find an undefended blinking base and count the dots, pick your plane and go have a hell-of-a-fight. In most cases, you'll find just a couple of 110s, or sometimes they come with maybe a Spit or an F6F ... can be lots of fun.

[gofaster]

Originally posted by PvtPyls
2 vs 1.

I'm just amazed at how many you managed to land with that bait.

Nice hook!  You using some sort of pheremone on that lure or something?

[gofaster]

Originally posted by Urchin
As far as 'who is flying your plane'... not all of us fly the P-51.  Not all of us fly the La-7.  Not all of us fly the Dora.  Although, as gangbanging as a method of getting kills becomes even more prevalent, I can say with very little doubt that most everyone who stays will be flying those planes.
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It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month.

I feel your pain and I found an antidote.  I don't fly the P-51D on fighter missions.  I don't fly the LA-7 much anymore (unless I'm going up against an inbound Typhoon raid), and I've never flown the Dora.

But I have found the antidote to the LA-7, and it ain't the Mustang, Spitfire, or Typhoon.  Sometimes the answer to your problem is simply a change of airplane.  I'd tell you what that airplane is, but then I'd have to kill you.

I would also suggest you try the special events arena where there's limited planesets with close-to-equal numbers for balanced gameplay.  The Combat Theatre is also a good place to go to avoid the LA-7 hordes.  And if you can bag some kills in a furball flying mid-war and early-war planes, then you'll be ready for the LA-7 antidote.

[Puck]

It is honestly getting to the point where I'm debating between just switching to the La-7 and flying it until it gets perked, or cancelling and saving myself 15 bucks a month. [/B]

Awww...I like LA7s.  They taste like chicken.