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Offline FOGOLD

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« on: September 19, 2002, 03:48:30 AM »
As an internet illiterate I would appreciate the meaning of PING. I have a n ISDN running at 128k and get a ping of 180 -200 on logging on. I don't know if this is good, bad or indifferent. I don't seem to have too many problems playing the game. What are the symptoms of bad ping. Disco's? Warping? Low frame rates?

Also I connect to the internet via a server across a LAN. Will this slow down the internet connect? Would I be better with a dedicated ISDN card on my gaming machine?

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2002, 08:51:17 AM »
The meaning of ping in computer terms is very much like that used by sonar operators.  It is a measure of round trip time to target.  You send out a ping to a machine and measure how long it takes that packet of data to arrive back on your machine.

Ping times can be affected by many factors including network latency, hops to target, etc.  Obviously, the more "hops" a packet has to make to reach its destination, the higher the ping time will become.  So, if your machine is on a private network it will inherently have a higher ping than a similarly configured machine with a direct connection.

The symptoms of a "bad ping" are that you do not send and receive packets as fast as the guy with a "good ping".  So, what you see on your monitor will not be what he sees.  As an example, you may see your opponent at 800 behind you, while he sees you as 450 in front of him.

Disco's and warping are not so much a function of bad ping, but of packet loss.  Aces High utilizes a network protocol called UDP.  This is basically a fire-and-forget method of sending data.  There is no guarantee of arrival at a destination of the packet that was sent.  So, if you send out a bunch of packets to the Aces High servers, but they only receive and process a portion of them, you will experience warping.  Disco's occur when you and the AH servers cannot communicate with each other for a given amount of time.  AH maintains connections via TCP/IP traffic.  This differs from UDP in that it IS guaranteed.  I send a packet to you, I expect a response back.  If I do not get a response, I assume that you are unreachable and terminate the connection.

You can monitor the activity of your connection with software tools.  A good one is Ping Plotter.  This will give you a visual display of the route a packet takes from your computer to a destination and where the bottlenecks are.  It will also display any packet loss that occurs.

I hope this helps.

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2002, 08:57:22 AM »
PING is part of the TCP/IP protocol suite.  It stands for Packet InterNet Groper, and is a crude measure of network latency between the client, and the host you ping.

johnnyb had good advice, http://www.pingplotter.com is a great tool to measure your network latency and connection quality.

Any ping below 300 or so should be fine, the quality and consistency of that connection is far more important than the overall latency.

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2002, 09:42:08 AM »
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Any ping below 300 or so should be fine, the quality and consistency of that connection is far more important than the overall latency.


For exemple I've rarely a ping < 250 and my connect is far from the maximum I can get out of my modem (56K) I usually connect at 33k.

But I've rarely (if not never) packet loss and variation during the trip to HTC server and so I've a better connect than some with lower ping but more loss ....

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2002, 11:22:17 AM »
Thanks a lot guys. That seems to be clear. I understand that AH doesn't need a super fast connection like eg an FPS game like Quake or something.  I do notice that guys sometimes shoot me down  when i think they are too far away. This is something we have to get used to and allow for i guess.

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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2002, 07:54:09 PM »
My ping is around 450+. I will have a guy behind me that i think is like 1.3k away but he is actually only 700 or 800 away. I have Aol and a 56k modem. Athlon 1.1ghtz pc that is pretty much empty on the 2 drives it has. Can someone help me figure out what is wrong with my connection. I try logging in at different times of the day but the connection is always slow.

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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2002, 07:56:51 PM »
When i watch the ping, there is usually like a 0.5 second delay in packet loss. When I look at my Net Status, the lines are always really high and jagged.

I think it might be cuz AOL is a sucky ISP but do you guys have any other reasons. Anything I can do to make it better? Thanks

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2002, 10:01:33 PM »
I was just playing from 9:00 to 11:00 and it worked fine. I guess it might depend on the time of day. My net status was flat and the graphics were fine

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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2002, 10:27:09 AM »
Time of day definitely has something to do with it.  That and AOL sucks.

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2002, 05:57:24 PM »
where can I get ping plotter?

thanks

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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2002, 07:10:17 PM »
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where can I get ping plotter?

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Lephturn posted a link to it in the 3rd post of this thread.

http://www.pingplotter.com


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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2002, 03:15:27 AM »
Can internet connectivity problems cause hard lock ups?

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2002, 03:37:30 AM »
I'm definately no expert on this but I would say no, if the system is set up correctly / normally or slightly close to that.
My guess would be a 'timeout' situation where it would eventually, not on a geologic timescale, stop and assume it wasn't going to get the data it was waiting for.
However FOGOLD, I put myself in the 'not an internet guru' class also, so lets see what others say.

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