there now, no mention of Lufftwabble or Luftwhiner or nazi etc and the discussion becomes one i enjoy participating in!
J_A_B thanks for mentioning that p51b vs p38j stuff. Something i wasnt quite aware of as most of my reading concerns RAF or LW info.Seems to me youre right in that we cant really always tell the context of the quotes from the various flyers.Perhaps had someone asked immediately after 'and what about over 25k' his view would have been different.Who knows? perhaps he indeed had little knowledge and was wrong, we can never tell.
All i did was merely type out some info from a book i was reading and throw it out to the BB community.
Capt, as you say, and from what ive read you are right that the American airmen were outnumbered the majority of the time but as you have pointed out the teething troubles of their machines was matched on the LW side.They too had horrendous troubles with parts,weapon systems etc etc.Im now pretty sure we all got off on the wrong foot here.And i know who i blame for the great majority of these threads that turn into name calling drivel.Its a small band of people who seem to take great pleasure in insulting people.
Id just like to state that in my opinion the LW failed miserably to do what my own country managed which is defeat a larger force with a superbly trained airforce.The battle of britain was similar in many ways to the air war that came only reversed.What i find annoying though is the dismissal of the ability of many of the LW flyers and machines.They like you said, were undoubtedly good pilots and whatever the reason they failed it should never be forgotten.If only to remind us that we , the brits and americans and others , faced a superbly trained,experienced and equiped air force.I have no problem reading all about what they achieved because deep down i realise the better they were the better we had to be to beat them.
When i see this over the top praise of machines we had, the constant belittleing of what they had, and im sorry but it does always seem to be Americans talking about the p51 or p38 or p47 etc, it tends to drive me up the wall
.I can accept a love for the machines because i too love the spitfire etc but its the blatent dismissal of others and the constant claim that only these machines won the war etc.It simply isnt true.They did help push the war further and further inland but the bombing campaign, just as the land war alone did not win the war.It was the whole thing, including in no small part what the Russians did,that eventually defeated the Germans.
ok i got a bit too deep but i think you understand what i mean.These idiots who come into these boards shouting 'the p51 won the war' really are the biggest fools our countries produce.
We should be able to listen to all information we find with an open mind.I for one have started to change my mind about the strength of the p38, for instance, through noticing more and more references to it being structurally sound and strong and so it should be for those who have a wrong idea of other aircraft.
